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• [EM] Sortition and the Delegable Proxy system   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] Re STV+AV   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Re STV+AV   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] SODA criteria   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] Re STV+AV   David L Wetzell
• [EM] SODA criteria   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Majority Judgement   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Majority Judgement   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] SODA criteria   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] SODA criteria   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Looking at Condorcet   Dave Ketchum
• [EM] [CES #4429] Looking at Condorcet   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Looking at Condorcet   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] STV+AV   Bryan Mills
• [EM] [CES #4429] Looking at Condorcet   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] Sortition and the Delegable Proxy system   Bryan Mills
• [EM] STV+AV   Ken & Karla
• [EM] STV+AV   Bryan Mills
• [EM] [CES #4429] Looking at Condorcet   Juho Laatu
• [EM] [CES #4429] Looking at Condorcet   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] STV+AV   Raph Frank
• [EM] STV+AV   Raph Frank
• [EM] When wouldn't SODA elect the CW?   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] [CES #4429] Looking at Condorcet   Raph Frank
• [EM] STV+AV   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] [CES #4431] Looking at Condorcet   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] STV+AV   David L Wetzell
• [EM] [CES #4433] Looking at Condorcet   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] STV+AV   Raph Frank
• [EM] SODA criteria   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Unger, wrt tabulation.   David L Wetzell
• [EM] proposal for posting style   Ted Stern
• [EM] SODA criteria   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] SODA criteria   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] proposal for posting style   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Unger, wrt tabulation.   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Unger, wrt tabulation.   David L Wetzell
• [EM] SODA criteria   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] Unger, wrt tabulation.   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] SODA criteria   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] [CES #4429] Looking at Condorcet   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] Fwd: Majority Judgement   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Unger, wrt tabulation.   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] Unger, wrt tabulation.   David L Wetzell
• [EM] STV+AV   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] Election-Methods Digest, Vol 92, Issue 17   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Unger, wrt tabulation.   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] [CES #4429] Looking at Condorcet   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] Top-majority options for Approval? An alternative 3-slot option.   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] re Unger wrt tabulation   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Majority-Judgement. Condorcet.   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] [CES #4429] Looking at Condorcet   Juho Laatu
• [EM] [CES #4429] Looking at Condorcet   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Majority-Judgement. Condorcet.   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Sparring over AV vs IRV at Least of All Evils...   David L Wetzell
• [EM] re Unger wrt tabulation   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] [CES #4429] Looking at Condorcet   Richard Fobes
• [EM] Declaration update: Announcing Facebook page and BanSingleMarkBallots.org website   Richard Fobes
• [EM] [CES #4429] Looking at Condorcet   Juho Laatu
• [EM] Sparring over AV vs IRV at Least of All Evils...   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] "Compliant SODA?": seeking a SODA version which may meet more criteria   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Sparring over AV vs IRV at Least of All Evils...   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Sparring over AV vs IRV at Least of All Evils...   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] "Compliant SODA?": seeking a SODA version which may meet more criteria   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] Sparring over AV vs IRV at Least of All Evils...   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Sparring over AV vs IRV at Least of All Evils...   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] re Unger wrt tabulation   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Sparring over AV vs IRV at Least of All Evils...   David L Wetzell
• [EM] re Unger wrt tabulation   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] Sparring over AV vs IRV at Least of All Evils...   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] Sparring over AV vs IRV at Least of All Evils...   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Sparring over AV vs IRV at Least of All Evils...   David L Wetzell
• [EM] "Compliant SODA?": seeking a SODA version which may meet more criteria   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Jameson: MJ   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] Majority-Judgement. Condorcet.   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] Jameson: MJ   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] [CES #4429] Looking at Condorcet   Andy Jennings
• [EM] RBJ et al.   David L Wetzell
• [EM] [CES #4429] Looking at Condorcet   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] RBJ et al.   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] [CES #4429] Looking at Condorcet   Juho Laatu
• [EM] brainstorm'n electoral calculus on acid...   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Sparring over AV vs IRV at Least of All Evils...   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] brainstorm'n electoral calculus on acid...   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] [CES #4429] Looking at Condorcet   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] not fair.   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Kevin V. wrt anti-Approval Voting.   David L Wetzell
• [EM] brainstorm'n electoral calculus on acid...   David L Wetzell
• [EM] not fair.   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Gaming the Vote   Ted Stern
• [EM] Majority-Judgement. Condorcet.   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] Majority-Judgement. Condorcet.   Ted Stern
• [EM] [CES #4437] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Dave Ketchum
• [EM] Majority-Judgement. Condorcet.   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Majority-Judgement. Condorcet.   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] [CES #4429] Looking at Condorcet   Dave Ketchum
• [EM] [CES #4429] Looking at Condorcet   Andy Jennings
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Juho Laatu
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] Universality of top-count-conditionality. MTAOC alone. Stepwise-When-Necessary. Conditional in Condorcet?   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] Jameson: Repeating my statements   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] Jameson: Repeating my statements   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] STV+AV   Bryan Mills
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Andy Jennings
• [EM] STV+AV   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Juho Laatu
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] STV+AV   Bryan Mills
• [EM] STV+AV   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] STV+AV   David L Wetzell
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Juho Laatu
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Juho Laatu
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] [CES #4435] Looking at Condorcet - Runoffs   Dave Ketchum
• [EM] [CES #4433] Looking at Condorcet - Recounting   Dave Ketchum
• [EM] STV+AV   Raph Frank
• [EM] Majority-Judgement. Condorcet.   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] STV+AV   David L Wetzell
• [EM] STV+AV   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] STV+AV   Raph Frank
• [EM] STV+AV   David L Wetzell
• [EM] STV+AV (Raph Frank)   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Range Voting for State Representative election of US Senators.   David L Wetzell
• [EM] FYI: Wikipedia table of criteria compliances   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] STV+AV   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] STV+AV   David L Wetzell
• [EM] STV+AV   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] STV+AV   David L Wetzell
• [EM] STV+AV   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] STV+AV   David L Wetzell
• [EM] STV+AV (Raph Frank)   Raph Frank
• [EM] Range Voting for State Representative election of US Senators.   Raph Frank
• [EM] "Semi-honest criterion"?   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Andy Jennings
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] Re Raph Frank wrt 3-seat LR Hare and RV for US Senators by proxy.   David L Wetzell
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Dave Ketchum
• [EM] Re Raph Frank wrt 3-seat LR Hare and RV for US Senators by proxy.   Raph Frank
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] <ref> tags on electowiki?   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] Re Raph Frank wrt 3-seat LR Hare and RV for US Senators by proxy.   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Re Raph Frank wrt 3-seat LR Hare and RV for US Senators by proxy.   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] Jameson MJ. Alternative IC rule? ICT's main problem.   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] Kristofer: MJ & RV   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] Kristofer: MJ & RV   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] Kevin V   David L Wetzell
• [EM] FW: Kristofer: MJ & RV   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] Kristofer: MJ & RV   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Juho Laatu
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Bryan Mills
• [EM] Utilitarianism and Perfectionism.   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Kristofer: MJ & RV   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Juho Laatu
• [EM] Utilitarianism and Perfectionism.   Juho Laatu
• [EM] MJ, Kristofer   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] Kevin V   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] Election-Methods Digest, Vol 92, Issue 55   David L Wetzell
• [EM] NYT/Richie voting reform "debate" next Sunday; write in.   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] NYT/Richie voting reform "debate" next Sunday; write in.   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Re, take 2: NYT/Richie voting reform "debate" next Sunday; write in.   David L Wetzell
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] NYT/Richie voting reform "debate" next Sunday; write in.   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Utilitarianism and Perfectionism.   David L Wetzell
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] Utilitarianism and Perfectionism.   Dave Ketchum
• [EM] Utilitarianism and Perfectionism.   Juho Laatu
• [EM] Utilitarianism and Perfectionism.   Juho Laatu
• [EM] Poll on favorite voting methods   Andrew Myers
• [EM] Further comments to Kristofer's MJ posting   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Juho Laatu
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] Further comments to Kristofer's MJ posting   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Utilitarianism and Perfectionism.   James Gilmour
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Juho Laatu
• [EM] Utilitarianism and Perfectionism.   James Gilmour
• [EM] Utilitarianism and Perfectionism.   Juho Laatu
• [EM] Utilitarianism and Perfectionism.   Juho Laatu
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   Dave Ketchum
• [EM] [CES #4445] Re: Looking at Condorcet   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] Utilitarianism and Perfectionism.   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Jameson: I thought you said that people can safely rate sincerely in MJ.   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] My Bucklin multiwinner method turned more sequential   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] My Bucklin multiwinner method turned more sequential   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] My Bucklin multiwinner method turned more sequential   Ted Stern
• [EM] Utilitarianism and Perfectionism.   Juho Laatu
• [EM] NYT voting reform dialogue published today.   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Utilitarianism and Perfectionism.   David L Wetzell
• [EM] My Bucklin multiwinner method turned more sequential   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] Utilitarianism and Perfectionism.   Juho Laatu
• [EM] i don't get why mixed member rules use FPTP???   David L Wetzell
• [EM] i don't get why mixed member rules use FPTP???   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] Utilitarianism and Perfectionism.   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Seeking co-author for paper on SODA, chicken dilemma, and Mturk experiments   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Conditionality-by-top-count probably violates FBC   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] Conditionality-by-top-count probably violates FBC   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Real-world examples of chicken dilemma?   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Question about Schulze beatpath method   Ross Hyman
• [EM] Jameson: Conditional methods and DH3   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] Something that can happen in SODA   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] Something that can happen in SODA   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Something that can happen in SODA   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Real-world examples of chicken dilemma?   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter?   David L Wetzell
• [EM] SODA arguments   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter?   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter?   James Gilmour
• [EM] Question about Schulze beatpath method   Markus Schulze
• [EM] SODA arguments   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Question about Schulze beatpath method   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter?   David L Wetzell
• [EM] JQ wrt SODA   David L Wetzell
• [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter?   Richard Fobes
• [EM] JQ wrt SODA   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] JQ wrt SODA   David L Wetzell
• [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter?   David L Wetzell
• [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter?   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Question about Schulze beatpath method   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] JQ wrt SODA   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter?   James Gilmour
• [EM] SODA arguments   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter?   James Gilmour
• [EM] SODA arguments   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] SODA arguments   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] SODA arguments   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] SODA arguments   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Jameson: reply regarding SODA & favorite-burial   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] (Kevin Venzke) and James Gilmour.   David L Wetzell
• [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter?   David L Wetzell
• [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter?   Richard Fobes
• [EM] (Kevin Venzke) and James Gilmour.   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter?   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] (Kevin Venzke) and Richard Fobes.   David L Wetzell
• [EM] (Kevin Venzke) and Richard Fobes.   Richard Fobes
• [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter?   Richard Fobes
• [EM] (Kevin Venzke) and Richard Fobes.   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter?   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] Conditionality-by-top-count probably violates FBC   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] Conditionality-by-top-count probably violates FBC   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter?   James Gilmour
• [EM] Re Rich Fobes, Kristofer M, James G   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Election-Methods Digest, Vol 92, Issue 89   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Conditionality-by-top-count probably violates FBC   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] Conditionality-by-top-count probably violates FBC   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] (Kevin Venzke) and Richard Fobes.   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] Conditionality-by-top-count probably violates FBC   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] Kevin V.   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Kevin V.   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] élection de trois élection de trois   David L Wetzell
• [EM] élection de trois élection de trois   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter?   Richard Fobes
• [EM] élection de trois élection de trois   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] Kevin V.   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] (Kevin Venzke) and Richard Fobes.   Richard Fobes
• [EM] (Kevin Venzke) and Richard Fobes.   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter?   Raph Frank
• [EM] 'lection de trois   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Question about Schulze beatpath method   Markus Schulze
• [EM] Question about Schulze beatpath method   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] Kevin V, Richard F., Raph F   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Kevin V, Richard F., Raph F   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] Campaign contribution reform   Richard Fobes
• [EM] (Kevin Venzke) and Richard Fobes.   Richard Fobes
• [EM] Kevin V. and Rich F.   David L Wetzell
• [EM] CFR and Electoral Reform   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Kevin V. and Rich F.   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Kevin V. and Rich F.   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Brief MJ comment. ITC & conditional methods.   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] Typo   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] Campaign contribution reform   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] Campaign contribution reform   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Brief MJ comment. ITC & conditional methods.   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Kevin V. and Rich F.   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Campaign contribution reform   David L Wetzell
• [EM] MJ, Bucklin reply   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] MJ, Bucklin reply   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Campaign contribution reform   Richard Fobes
• [EM] Election-Methods Digest, Vol 92, Issue 101   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Election-Methods Digest, Vol 92, Issue 101   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Election-Methods Digest, Vol 92, Issue 101   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Election-Methods Digest, Vol 92, Issue 101   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Election-Methods Digest, Vol 92, Issue 101   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Does Range need an abstention/participation tally?   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Post-Autistic Electoral Analysis?   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Oscar Voting   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Post-Autistic Electoral Analysis?   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Oscar Voting   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Post-Autistic Electoral Analysis?   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Oscar Voting   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Does Range need an abstention/participation tally?   Kathy Dopp
• [EM] Does Range need an abstention/participation tally?   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Au revoir,   David L Wetzell
• [EM] Is Helios online voting secure?   Kathy Dopp
• [EM] Is Helios online voting secure?   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Is Helios online voting secure?   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Is Helios online voting secure?   robert bristow-johnson
• [EM] Is Helios online voting secure?   Kathy Dopp
• [EM] Is Helios online voting secure?   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Au revoir,   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Au revoir,   David L Wetzell
• [EM] élection de trois élection de trois   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] (Kevin Venzke) and Richard Fobes.   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] Does Range need an abstention/participation tally?   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] élection de trois élection de trois   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] Is Helios online voting secure?   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] Does Range need an abstention/participation tally?   Steve Wolfman
• [EM] Does Range need an abstention/participation tally?   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] (Kevin Venzke) and Richard Fobes.   Richard Fobes
• [EM] élection de trois élection de trois   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] Turkey-raising. Options. MJ majority protection.   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] Turkey-raising. Options. MJ majority protection.   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] (Kevin Venzke) and Richard Fobes.   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] élection de trois élection de trois   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] élection de trois élection de trois   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] Update on MMPO class-action lawsuit, trial transcipts   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] STV seat count, and start small and locally   Richard Fobes
• [EM] C/D is persistent. Another Approval C/D mitigation. IRV and sincerity.   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] C/D is persistent. Another Approval C/D mitigation. IRV and sincerity.   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] C/D is persistent. Another Approval C/D mitigation. IRV and sincerity.   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] An interesting scenario (spoilers, utility)   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] The oldest bad-example trick in the book   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] An interesting scenario (spoilers, utility)   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] STV vs Party-list PR, could context matter?   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] STV seat count, and start small and locally   Kristofer Munsterhjelm
• [EM] Jameson: SODA & FBC   MIKE OSSIPOFF
• [EM] Jameson: SODA & FBC   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] STV seat count, and start small and locally   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] STV seat count, and start small and locally   Jameson Quinn
• [EM] An interesting scenario (spoilers, utility)   Kevin Venzke
• [EM] The oldest bad-example trick in the book   Kevin Venzke

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