[EM] Why no Condorcet proposals?

[Michael Ossipoff]

Okay, then it has a reasonably brief definition, & is based on something
with precedent.

I recently thought that ER-Bucklin was promising, & advocated it here, but
then noticed a strategy-problem.

It was my impression then that gaps wouldn’t solve the problem.

Delaying a vote bestowal to Z can protect against helping Z beat someone,
Y, whom  you like better before Y gets your vote…but it can also prevent
you from helping Z, in time, against someone worse.

So I gave-up on Bucklin.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 15:39 Ted Stern <dodecatheon at gmail.com> wrote:

> Median Rating is just ER-Bucklin with gaps allowed.
>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 15:11 Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I’d have to understand it better. I’ll study it.
>>
>> If Median-Ratings is like Majority-Judgment, its need for a special
>> tiebreaker complicates it. Simplicity is important for a 1st Condorcet
>> proposal.
>>
>> When you described it, I assumed that it was Majority-Judgment—but now
>> I’ll take a closer look.
>>
>> So, till then…
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 15:05 Ted Stern <dodecatheon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Michael,
>>>
>>> I see you like Condorcet//Approval(implicit).
>>>
>>> What about Condorcet//Median Ratings?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 09:07 Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Nanson has precedent, but it doesn’t have the simplicity of some of the
>>>> other Condorcet-compliant methods.
>>>>
>>>> …& how does Nanson do by freedom from need for defensive-strategy
>>>> (against offensive-strategy)?
>>>>
>>>> Achieving the best strategy-free-ness is the goal of Condorcet.
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 12:08 Bob Richard [lists] <
>>>> lists001 at robertjrichard.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> A Condorcet-compliant method, Nanson, was used in the small city of
>>>>> Marquette, Michigan in the 1920s. It would be very instructive to learn why
>>>>> it was repealed. I have never seen anything more than a passing mention of
>>>>> this episode, so this research would probably involve traveling to
>>>>> Marquette and rummaging around in newspaper archives, county election
>>>>> records and the public library. On the other hand, this part of Michigan is
>>>>> a beautiful place to visit. Any takers?
>>>>>
>>>>> --Bob Richard
>>>>>
>>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>>> From "Michael Ossipoff" <email9648742 at gmail.com>
>>>>> To "EM list" <election-methods at electorama.com>
>>>>> Date 1/10/2024 11:34:57 AM
>>>>> Subject [EM] Why no Condorcet proposals?
>>>>>
>>>>> That question was recently asked.
>>>>>
>>>>> Condorcet has many versions, & there’s no agreement on that matter.
>>>>>
>>>>> So Condorcet doesn’t have any enactment-projects, or even an
>>>>> organization.
>>>>>
>>>>> Condorcet was computationally infeasible for more than a few
>>>>> candidates, in the days when Hare began being adopted a century ago. Hence
>>>>> its particularly great unfamiliarity.
>>>>>
>>>>> Those things are regrettable, because only Condorcet can fully
>>>>> reassure our thoroughly-conditioned lesser-evil voters that they needn’t
>>>>> too-vote an evil.
>>>>>
>>>>> How about proposing Condorcet in your community, & demonstrating it in
>>>>> various nonpolitical votes.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sometimes a city, county or state governing-body will outright enact a
>>>>> voting-system reform. That’s happened for RCV.
>>>>>
>>>>> …or maybe would order & schedule a referendum, as has likewise
>>>>> happened for RCV.
>>>>>
>>>>> But, as a last-resort, one could advertise on bulletin-boards, online,
>>>>> in the classifieds, etc., to convene a Condorcet enactment committee, for
>>>>> the pursuit of an initiative.
>>>>>
>>>>> Suggest, to them, a few of the simpler & long-discussed versions, such
>>>>> as:
>>>>>
>>>>> MinMax(wv)
>>>>> CW, Implicit-Approval (CW, IA).
>>>>>
>>>>> Neither needs mention of the Smith-set or cycles.
>>>>>
>>>>> Both thwart offensive-truncation, & deter burial if people use the
>>>>> defensive-strategy of refusing to rank anyone they don’t like & don’t wish
>>>>> to beat the CW via burial.
>>>>>
>>>>> That committee could then conduct focus-groups, in person or online,
>>>>> to find out which Condorcet version would have the best chance of
>>>>> initiative-enactment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Obviously Approval would be the best voting-system by which for that
>>>>> focus-group to vote among the proposals. Participants should be asked to
>>>>> approve (only) the proposal(s) that they’d support in an initiative.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
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