[EM] Why no Condorcet proposals?

[Ted Stern]

Median Rating is just ER-Bucklin with gaps allowed.

On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 15:11 Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I’d have to understand it better. I’ll study it.
>
> If Median-Ratings is like Majority-Judgment, its need for a special
> tiebreaker complicates it. Simplicity is important for a 1st Condorcet
> proposal.
>
> When you described it, I assumed that it was Majority-Judgment—but now
> I’ll take a closer look.
>
> So, till then…
>
> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 15:05 Ted Stern <dodecatheon at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Michael,
>>
>> I see you like Condorcet//Approval(implicit).
>>
>> What about Condorcet//Median Ratings?
>>
>> On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 09:07 Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Nanson has precedent, but it doesn’t have the simplicity of some of the
>>> other Condorcet-compliant methods.
>>>
>>> …& how does Nanson do by freedom from need for defensive-strategy
>>> (against offensive-strategy)?
>>>
>>> Achieving the best strategy-free-ness is the goal of Condorcet.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 12:08 Bob Richard [lists] <
>>> lists001 at robertjrichard.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A Condorcet-compliant method, Nanson, was used in the small city of
>>>> Marquette, Michigan in the 1920s. It would be very instructive to learn why
>>>> it was repealed. I have never seen anything more than a passing mention of
>>>> this episode, so this research would probably involve traveling to
>>>> Marquette and rummaging around in newspaper archives, county election
>>>> records and the public library. On the other hand, this part of Michigan is
>>>> a beautiful place to visit. Any takers?
>>>>
>>>> --Bob Richard
>>>>
>>>> ------ Original Message ------
>>>> From "Michael Ossipoff" <email9648742 at gmail.com>
>>>> To "EM list" <election-methods at electorama.com>
>>>> Date 1/10/2024 11:34:57 AM
>>>> Subject [EM] Why no Condorcet proposals?
>>>>
>>>> That question was recently asked.
>>>>
>>>> Condorcet has many versions, & there’s no agreement on that matter.
>>>>
>>>> So Condorcet doesn’t have any enactment-projects, or even an
>>>> organization.
>>>>
>>>> Condorcet was computationally infeasible for more than a few
>>>> candidates, in the days when Hare began being adopted a century ago. Hence
>>>> its particularly great unfamiliarity.
>>>>
>>>> Those things are regrettable, because only Condorcet can fully reassure
>>>> our thoroughly-conditioned lesser-evil voters that they needn’t too-vote an
>>>> evil.
>>>>
>>>> How about proposing Condorcet in your community, & demonstrating it in
>>>> various nonpolitical votes.
>>>>
>>>> Sometimes a city, county or state governing-body will outright enact a
>>>> voting-system reform. That’s happened for RCV.
>>>>
>>>> …or maybe would order & schedule a referendum, as has likewise happened
>>>> for RCV.
>>>>
>>>> But, as a last-resort, one could advertise on bulletin-boards, online,
>>>> in the classifieds, etc., to convene a Condorcet enactment committee, for
>>>> the pursuit of an initiative.
>>>>
>>>> Suggest, to them, a few of the simpler & long-discussed versions, such
>>>> as:
>>>>
>>>> MinMax(wv)
>>>> CW, Implicit-Approval (CW, IA).
>>>>
>>>> Neither needs mention of the Smith-set or cycles.
>>>>
>>>> Both thwart offensive-truncation, & deter burial if people use the
>>>> defensive-strategy of refusing to rank anyone they don’t like & don’t wish
>>>> to beat the CW via burial.
>>>>
>>>> That committee could then conduct focus-groups, in person or online, to
>>>> find out which Condorcet version would have the best chance of
>>>> initiative-enactment.
>>>>
>>>> Obviously Approval would be the best voting-system by which for that
>>>> focus-group to vote among the proposals. Participants should be asked to
>>>> approve (only) the proposal(s) that they’d support in an initiative.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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