<div dir="auto">Okay, then it has a reasonably brief definition, & is based on something with precedent.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I recently thought that ER-Bucklin was promising, & advocated it here, but then noticed a strategy-problem.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">It was my impression then that gaps wouldn’t solve the problem.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Delaying a vote bestowal to Z can protect against helping Z beat someone, Y, whom you like better before Y gets your vote…but it can also prevent you from helping Z, in time, against someone worse.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So I gave-up on Bucklin.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 15:39 Ted Stern <<a href="mailto:dodecatheon@gmail.com">dodecatheon@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Median Rating is just ER-Bucklin with gaps allowed. </div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 15:11 Michael Ossipoff <<a href="mailto:email9648742@gmail.com" target="_blank">email9648742@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">I’d have to understand it better. I’ll study it.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">If Median-Ratings is like Majority-Judgment, its need for a special tiebreaker complicates it. Simplicity is important for a 1st Condorcet proposal.<br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">When you described it, I assumed that it was Majority-Judgment—but now I’ll take a closer look.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So, till then…</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 11, 2024 at 15:05 Ted Stern <<a href="mailto:dodecatheon@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">dodecatheon@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Michael,<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">I see you like Condorcet//Approval(implicit). </div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">What about Condorcet//Median Ratings?</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, Jan 11, 2024, 09:07 Michael Ossipoff <<a href="mailto:email9648742@gmail.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">email9648742@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto">Nanson has precedent, but it doesn’t have the simplicity of some of the other Condorcet-compliant methods.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">…& how does Nanson do by freedom from need for defensive-strategy (against offensive-strategy)?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Achieving the best strategy-free-ness is the goal of Condorcet.</div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, Jan 10, 2024 at 12:08 Bob Richard [lists] <<a href="mailto:lists001@robertjrichard.com" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">lists001@robertjrichard.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div><div></div>
<div><div>A Condorcet-compliant method, Nanson, was used in the small city of Marquette, Michigan in the 1920s. It would be very instructive to learn why it was repealed. I have never seen anything more than a passing mention of this episode, so this research would probably involve traveling to Marquette and rummaging around in newspaper archives, county election records and the public library. On the other hand, this part of Michigan is a beautiful place to visit. Any takers?</div><div><br></div><div>--Bob Richard</div><div><br></div>
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That question was recently asked.<div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Condorcet has many versions, & there’s no agreement on that matter.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">So Condorcet doesn’t have any enactment-projects, or even an organization.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Condorcet was computationally infeasible for more than a few candidates, in the days when Hare began being adopted a century ago. Hence its particularly great unfamiliarity.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Those things are regrettable, because only Condorcet can fully reassure our thoroughly-conditioned lesser-evil voters that they needn’t too-vote an evil.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">How about proposing Condorcet in your community, & demonstrating it in various nonpolitical votes.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Sometimes a city, county or state governing-body will outright enact a voting-system reform. That’s happened for RCV.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">…or maybe would order & schedule a referendum, as has likewise happened for RCV.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">But, as a last-resort, one could advertise on bulletin-boards, online, in the classifieds, etc., to convene a Condorcet enactment committee, for the pursuit of an initiative.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Suggest, to them, a few of the simpler & long-discussed versions, such as:</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">MinMax(wv)</div><div dir="auto">CW, Implicit-Approval (CW, IA).</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Neither needs mention of the Smith-set or cycles.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Both thwart offensive-truncation, & deter burial if people use the defensive-strategy of refusing to rank anyone they don’t like & don’t wish to beat the CW via burial.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">That committee could then conduct focus-groups, in person or online, to find out which Condorcet version would have the best chance of initiative-enactment.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Obviously Approval would be the best voting-system by which for that focus-group to vote among the proposals. Participants should be asked to approve (only) the proposal(s) that they’d support in an initiative.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto"><br></div>
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