[EM] Cartoon about single-mark ballots

Jan Kok jan.kok.5y at gmail.com
Fri Sep 23 13:08:07 PDT 2016


On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:56 AM, VoteFair <ElectionMethods at votefair.org>
wrote:

> On 9/19/2016 12:00 AM, Jan Kok wrote:
> > Before you publish that article, please check out VotePact.org
>
> Even if two people agree to cast ballots that cancel each other out,
> that's still leaving the decision up to the other voters in that state.
>

I don't understand your point. Whether you and another person vote for
Clinton and Trump, or make a pact and vote for Stein and/or Johnson
instead, the election is still decided by the other voters in the state.

The exception would be if enough people used the Vote Pact idea that Stein
or Johnson won. But that would be a good outcome from your point of view,
right? Otherwise, why did you enter into the vote pact?

Participating in your VotePact approach requires finding someone to trust.
> And the trusting not only applies to trusting who the person will actually
> vote for, but trusting that the person is not also making a similar
> arrangement with yet another voter.
>

This is addressed at http://www.votepact.org/about/ under "The Issue of
Trust." You can get absentee ballots, fill them out in each other's
presence and mail them together. Or you can go to the polls together and
check each other's ballots before turning them in.

In other words, it's really, really hard to find someone you trust who also
> has the opposite political preference.
>

In a swing state, it shouldn't be that hard to find your opposite. As for
trust, see above.


> Expressed as a Venn diagram, the overlap between someone I trust and
> someone who has the opposite political view is empty.
>
> Here's part of what I hope to convey in the article:
>
> A single-mark ballot is not asking for the voter's first choice.  If it
> was, it would also ask for a second choice.
>
> Instead a single-mark ballot is equivalent to being given a marble and
> being asked to put it into the bucket with their "preferred" candidate's
> name on the bucket.  And only the two heaviest buckets will have their
> marbles counted.  The other buckets might as well be bottomless.
>
> Richard Fobes
>
>
> On 9/19/2016 12:00 AM, Jan Kok wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 10:42 PM, VoteFair <ElectionMethods at votefair.org
>> <mailto:ElectionMethods at votefair.org>> wrote:
>>
>>     ...
>>
>>     I will use the image as part of an article I'm writing that explains
>>     why voters in swing states should not vote for a third-party
>> candidate.
>>
>>
>> Before you publish that article, please check out VotePact.org
>>
>>
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