[EM] Cartoon about single-mark ballots
rbj at audioimagination.com
Fri Sep 23 13:45:40 PDT 2016
this appears to be the very same thing as the Nader Trader thingie we had going 16 years ago. in fact, i was a Nader Trader, i voted for Nader in Vermont, which was a Gore-safe state in exchange for Nader supporter in, i think the state was Washington, to vote for Gore.
the purpose was to try to prevent W from winning yet to keep Nader's popular vote count, such as it was, up.
i found out since then that i may have violated my "Freeman's oath" in Vermont https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter%27s_oath_or_affirmation . i think
that the oath means that my vote is *my* vote and not someone else's vote.
after the stolen election of 2000, the insulting Bush v. Gore decision, the fact that Nader had 97000 votes in Florida (as i recall) and the margin W had over Gore was 537 (this is all out of nearly 6 million) left such
a bitter taste in my mouth that i am unmotivated to do that sorta thing again.
i am soooo disgusted by the current U.S. election. the specter of President Combover is the most alarming, of course. Hillary is very unexciting. the media is doing a shit job. whenever
there is soooo much material for the comedians, you have to know that something is not well.
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Subject: Re: [EM] Cartoon about single-mark ballots
From: "Jan Kok" <jan.kok.5y at gmail.com>
Date: Fri, September 23, 2016 4:08 pm
To: ElectionMethods at votefair.org
Cc: "election-methods at lists.electorama.com" <election-methods at lists.electorama.com>
> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:56 AM, VoteFair <ElectionMethods at votefair.org>
>> On 9/19/2016 12:00 AM, Jan Kok wrote:
>> > Before you publish that article, please check out VotePact.org
>> Even if two people agree to cast ballots that cancel each other out,
>> that's still leaving the decision up to the other voters in that state.
> I don't understand your point. Whether you and another person vote for
> Clinton and Trump, or make a pact and vote for Stein and/or Johnson
> instead, the election is still decided by the other voters in the state.
> The exception would be if enough people used the Vote Pact idea that Stein
> or Johnson won. But that would be a good outcome from your point of view,
> right? Otherwise, why did you enter into the vote pact?
> Participating in your VotePact approach requires finding someone to trust.
>> And the trusting not only applies to trusting who the person will actually
>> vote for, but trusting that the person is not also making a similar
>> arrangement with yet another voter.
> This is addressed at http://www.votepact.org/about/ under "The Issue of
> Trust." You can get absentee ballots, fill them out in each other's
> presence and mail them together. Or you can go to the polls together and
> check each other's ballots before turning them in.
> In other words, it's really, really hard to find someone you trust who also
>> has the opposite political preference.
> In a swing state, it shouldn't be that hard to find your opposite. As for
> trust, see above.
>> Expressed as a Venn diagram, the overlap between someone I trust and
>> someone who has the opposite political view is empty.
>> Here's part of what I hope to convey in the article:
>> A single-mark ballot is not asking for the voter's first choice. If it
>> was, it would also ask for a second choice.
>> Instead a single-mark ballot is equivalent to being given a marble and
>> being asked to put it into the bucket with their "preferred" candidate's
>> name on the bucket. And only the two heaviest buckets will have their
>> marbles counted. The other buckets might as well be bottomless.
>> Richard Fobes
>> On 9/19/2016 12:00 AM, Jan Kok wrote:
>>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 10:42 PM, VoteFair <ElectionMethods at votefair.org
>>> <mailto:ElectionMethods at votefair.org>> wrote:
>>> I will use the image as part of an article I'm writing that explains
>>> why voters in swing states should not vote for a third-party
>>> Before you publish that article, please check out VotePact.org
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