[EM] Cartoon about single-mark ballots

[robert bristow-johnson]

this appears to be the very same thing as the Nader Trader thingie we had going 16 years ago.  in fact, i was a Nader Trader, i voted for Nader in Vermont, which was a Gore-safe state in exchange for Nader supporter in, i think the state was Washington, to vote for Gore.
 the purpose was to try to prevent W from winning yet to keep Nader's popular vote count, such as it was, up.
 i found out since then that i may have violated my "Freeman's oath" in Vermont https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter%27s_oath_or_affirmation .  i think
that the oath means that my vote is *my* vote and not someone else's vote.
after the stolen election of 2000, the insulting Bush v. Gore decision, the fact that Nader had 97000 votes in Florida (as i recall) and the margin W had over Gore was 537 (this is all out of nearly 6 million) left such
a bitter taste in my mouth that i am unmotivated to do that sorta thing again.
i am soooo disgusted by the current U.S. election.   the specter of President Combover is the most alarming, of course.  Hillary is very unexciting.  the media is doing a shit job.  whenever
there is soooo much material for the comedians, you have to know that something is not well.
:-\
yuck.
 
r b-j

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Subject: Re: [EM] Cartoon about single-mark ballots

From: "Jan Kok" <jan.kok.5y at gmail.com>

Date: Fri, September 23, 2016 4:08 pm

To: ElectionMethods at votefair.org

Cc: "election-methods at lists.electorama.com" <election-methods at lists.electorama.com>

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> On Fri, Sep 23, 2016 at 11:56 AM, VoteFair <ElectionMethods at votefair.org>

> wrote:

>

>> On 9/19/2016 12:00 AM, Jan Kok wrote:

>> > Before you publish that article, please check out VotePact.org

>>

>> Even if two people agree to cast ballots that cancel each other out,

>> that's still leaving the decision up to the other voters in that state.

>>

>

> I don't understand your point. Whether you and another person vote for

> Clinton and Trump, or make a pact and vote for Stein and/or Johnson

> instead, the election is still decided by the other voters in the state.

>

> The exception would be if enough people used the Vote Pact idea that Stein

> or Johnson won. But that would be a good outcome from your point of view,

> right? Otherwise, why did you enter into the vote pact?

>

> Participating in your VotePact approach requires finding someone to trust.

>> And the trusting not only applies to trusting who the person will actually

>> vote for, but trusting that the person is not also making a similar

>> arrangement with yet another voter.

>>

>

> This is addressed at http://www.votepact.org/about/ under "The Issue of

> Trust." You can get absentee ballots, fill them out in each other's

> presence and mail them together. Or you can go to the polls together and

> check each other's ballots before turning them in.

>

> In other words, it's really, really hard to find someone you trust who also

>> has the opposite political preference.

>>

>

> In a swing state, it shouldn't be that hard to find your opposite. As for

> trust, see above.

>

>

>> Expressed as a Venn diagram, the overlap between someone I trust and

>> someone who has the opposite political view is empty.

>>

>> Here's part of what I hope to convey in the article:

>>

>> A single-mark ballot is not asking for the voter's first choice. If it

>> was, it would also ask for a second choice.

>>

>> Instead a single-mark ballot is equivalent to being given a marble and

>> being asked to put it into the bucket with their "preferred" candidate's

>> name on the bucket. And only the two heaviest buckets will have their

>> marbles counted. The other buckets might as well be bottomless.

>>

>> Richard Fobes

>>

>>

>> On 9/19/2016 12:00 AM, Jan Kok wrote:

>>

>>>

>>>

>>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 10:42 PM, VoteFair <ElectionMethods at votefair.org

>>> <mailto:ElectionMethods at votefair.org>> wrote:

>>>

>>> ...

>>>

>>> I will use the image as part of an article I'm writing that explains

>>> why voters in swing states should not vote for a third-party

>>> candidate.

>>>

>>>

>>> Before you publish that article, please check out VotePact.org

>>>

>>>

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