[EM] Why I prefer ranked-choice voting to approval voting
robert bristow-johnson
rbj at audioimagination.com
Tue Oct 11 12:11:03 PDT 2016
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Subject: Re: [EM] Why I prefer ranked-choice voting to approval voting
From: "Ralph Suter" <RLSuter at aol.com>
Date: Tue, October 11, 2016 2:35 pm
To: election-methods at lists.electorama.com
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> I agree with everything Jameson says except for one point in his ps. I
> don't think it's important that voters know exactly how votes are
> tallied to decide the winner as long as they understand the basic idea
> that in Condorcet voting, the winning candidate is the one who outranks
> every other candidate in one to one comparisons.
And this basic idea can be stated even more simply and persuasively:
"If more voters mark their ballots that they prefer Candidate A over Candidate B than the number of voters who mark their ballots to the contrary, then
Candidate B is not elected."
stated more loosely (but less accurately, considering the meaning of "majority")
"If a majority of voters mark their ballots preferring Candidate A over Candidate B, then Candidate B is not elected."
That's all
voters need to really know about a Condorcet method. Of course, this is in the case of no cycle, if there is a cycle, this principle cannot be satisfied.
> Furthermore, figuring
> out how votes are tallied in IRV voting is not especially easy either
> for most voters, despite the arguments about it's simplicity that IRV
> supporters often make, which I have never found terribly persuasive.
terribly unpersuasive. i call it the "Kabuki dance of transferred votes."
> One other point I'd like to make is that in some voting situations, such
> as voting in informal meetings for options that most participants aren't
> terribly passionate about (e.g., "where and when shall we meet again"),
> approval voting is often vastly preferable to any ranked choice method
> and has a much lower cognitive burden.
makes sense.
> That's why I believe we need to
> discuss the relative merits of different voting methods not just for the
> purpose of elections for public office but for all kinds of voting
> situations.
>
> It may also be (and probably is) that some methods are better for some
> kinds of public elections than for other kinds. For example, approval
> may be preferable to any ranked choice method in many if not most
> elections for city council, while ranked choice may be preferable to
> approval for the U.S. presidential election.
>
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>
> On 10/11/2016 1:02 PM, election-methods-request at lists.electorama.com wrote:
> > ps. You mention Condorcet, and argue that the strategic cognitive
> burden is
> > higher than IRV. I disagree; but since Condorcet comes with a higher
> > cognitive burden in just figuring out why a given candidate won, I agree
> > that Condorcet methods are probably not best for large-scale elections.
not true at all. IRV requires more of a cognitive burden because its result, in the ideal, cannot be stated as simply as with Condorcet. if someone asks *how* do we do Condorcet and pick the winner,
we say we examine runoffs between every pair of candidates and elect the only candidate who doesn't lose to another candidate.
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