[EM] Why I think IRV isn't a serious alternative 2

[Kathy Dopp]

Sorry folks, self-correction here:

> Abd ul,

I misstated this:

>
> That is about the strangest position I've seen you take on any subject
> because it is equivalent to saying that it is more important for a
> voting method not to hurt my lower choice candidates than my first
> choice candidates.

*should* have typed.

"because it is equivalent to saying that it is more important for a
voting method not to result in having my second choice hurt my first
choice, than it is for a voting method not to result in having my
FIRST choice hurt my first choice"

Below is correct.  I.e. First no harm is not important but Later no
harm is?  Just a position is impossible for me to understand.

It is OK if your first choice candidate hurts your first choice
candidate, but *not* OK if your second choice candidate hurts your
first choice candidate.

It is OK for voters not to know if their first choice might hurt their
first choice, but not for their second choice to hurt their first
choice if their second choice were more popular with a majority?

This seems to me to be a very illogical position you're taking in
prioritizing "later no harm" as more important than "first no harm
(monotonicity)" Abd ul when normally your positions seem so logical.

Kathy

>
> I.e. Monotonicity is, briefly stated, "first no harm".
>
> So you are saying that you don't want a voter's second choice to hurt
> the voter's first choice, but you don't mind if the voter's first
> choice hurts the voter's first choice.
>
> I find that position to be very bizarre.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Kathy Dopp
>
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Kathy Dopp

The material expressed herein is the informed  product of the author's
fact-finding and investigative efforts. Dopp is a Mathematician,
Expert in election audit mathematics and procedures; in exit poll
discrepancy analysis; and can be reached at

P.O. Box 680192
Park City, UT 84068
phone 435-658-4657

http://utahcountvotes.org
http://electionmathematics.org
http://electionarchive.org
http://kathydopp.com/serendipity/

How to Audit Election Outcome Accuracy
http://electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/US/paper-audits/VoteCountAuditBillRequest.pdf

History of Confidence Election Auditing Development & Overview of
Election Auditing Fundamentals
http://electionarchive.org/ucvAnalysis/US/paper-audits/History-of-Election-Auditing-Development.pdf

Voters Have Reason to Worry
http://utahcountvotes.org/UT/UtahCountVotes-ThadHall-Response.pdf