[EM] Strategic polls in Approval
Juho
juho4880 at yahoo.co.uk
Sun Jan 7 13:19:31 PST 2007
On Dec 31, 2006, at 4:55 , Abd ul-Rahman Lomax wrote:
> At 01:59 PM 12/30/2006, Juho wrote:
>> Im multi-party countries or if parties
>> have more than one candidate that is not exceptional.
>
> That's right, though the latter situation requires that the party
> in question have two-thirds of the electorate as supporters,
> effectively. Such a party would not be likely to run two
> candidates, for if it did, under some systems, it would risk losing
> the election. However, with Approval, it could. And if there were a
> third candidate with parity with the two from the party, party
> supporters would be well advised to vote for both the party
> candidates. If even half of them do, there is no chance for that
> third candidate. What would be strange, indeed, would be for
> significant party supporters to vote for the third candidate, and
> that is exactly what it would take for the poll strategy to have an
> effect....
It is also possible that the three leading candidates would come from
the same party. Or that there would be smaller parties whose
supporters would influence the outcome. The strategy may be efficient
(not as certain but may work) also in the case of two candidates from
one party and one from the other party in a two-party system (e.g. A
and B from the same party).
>> In the example it was ok if voters were uncertain of which opinion
>> polls are reliable. The plotters were happy with the confusion (as
>> long as they could avoid having polls where A was not among the
>> leading candidates).
>
> How could they avoid that? They can't control all the polls, and if
> they can fake polls, so can someone else.
Surprise attack may work. In the next elections things could be
different.
It is also not nice if people stop trusting any polls because of the
fear that they are somehow rigged just to make them vote wrong.
It is btw also possible to advice supporters of some candidate to
answer the polls in a special way. A supporters might e.g. answer
that they are going to vote for A and C even if they are not.
(Another interesting area for study.)
> My point is that this strategem depends upon voters using a voting
> strategy which is inappropriate for the three-way race that is
> involved. That strategy is not designed for such races, it is
> designed for races where there are two and only two frontrunners.
I think the approval strategies that refer to approving candidates
that are above the anticipated utility don't take position to the
number of candidates. Also strategies that refer to approving one of
the two frontrunners candidates do not necessarily need to exclude
cases where it is not crystal clear who the two lead candidates are.
Attempts to improve the optimal Approval strategy (like the one that
you mentioned) are of course always welcome (zero info or others).
The example only pointed out that the common optimal Approval
strategies can play a part in a strategic attack (if voters are
anticipated to use them).
>> In the example the first (correct) poll showed that A and B had more
>> support than C (but only so much that the A supporters could claim
>> that also C could be a lead candidate).
>
> Right. So all are close to winning. Now, is this "first preference"
> polling or "approval" polling?
I didn't take position on that but both cases work. Approval polls
are more accurate when asking opinions before an Approval election.
Preference order of the approved candidates would provide additional
information.
> I don't think that the analysis of the stratagem's effect was
> thorough. To be thorough, one should consider preference strengths,
> they affect how the voters will respond to the misinformation.
It was not thorough (just a description of the vulnerability). I made
some calculations also with approving candidates that are above the
expected utility of the election and the strategy seemed to work at
least with some reasonable personal utility assumptions (e.g.
utilities 2-1-0 for all voters).
> Now, if voters have a preferred candidate, I'd think they would
> listen to that campaign's releases about how the election was
> going. They would not be terribly likely to be influenced for
> strategic voting purposes by releases from the campaign of another
> candidate, not even by supposedly public, disinterested polling
> organizations.
The A supporters should not hide their involvement in the poll if
possible. But also a poll signed by A supporters may have sufficient
impact in a close race.
> I don't think it is possible to distort the polls sufficiently that
> a rational voting strategy would be seriously affected.
Small changes are sufficient if the margins are small. Of course all
kind of propaganda will be distributed. Utilizing the Approval
default optimal strategies is just one of the tricks, not necessarily
the decisive one. In the example the A supporters managed to publish
a competing opinion poll that was considered credible by some, and
that was a sufficient condition for the strategy to work.
> It is only a mindless strategy where voters determine solely who
> the top two are and don't pay attention to another candidate
> yapping at the heels of those two. And who is going to advise
> voters to vote that way? In the context of a true three-way race?
I think the writers on this mailing list have thoroughly discussed
the optimal Approval strategies. I was assuming that part of the
voters would follow those rules or some similar logic that they
developed themselves. One could have also publicly known optimal
strategies that would treat three-way races and so on in a different
way than the current optimal strategies. Another path would be to
rely on party/promoter/media recommendations on how to vote but that
is another (interesting) story that I didn't yet cover much.
Here is one more explanation on how the example case was supposed to
work (just to clarify what I maybe left unsaid).
- the first poll (A and B leading) was valid for some time
- C>B>A supporters were recommended to approve C and B because they
should make a difference between the two leading candidates
- this election was thus at this point a race between the two key
candidates, A and B
- the second poll was released maybe just one day before the election
- some C>B>A supporters applied the old recommended logic in the new
situation and approved only C (since it seemed to be one of the
leading candidates)
- and so on for the other cases
This was thus a surprise attack based on one party using this
strategy more powerfully than others.
Juho Laatu
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