[EM] No. Condorcet and Hare do not share the same problem with computational complexity and process transparency.

[Michael Garman]

Where are you seeing the material you quoted? I agree that what you’re
quoting is inaccurate. However, here’s what I see when I click your link.


Ballots that *do not help voters’ top choices* win count for their next
choice.

there’s a difference between “if your first choice doesn’t win, your ballot
counts for your next choice” (wrong) and “if your ballot isn’t being used
to support your first choice, it’s being used to support your next choice
still in the running” (accurate)

On Wed, Mar 20, 2024 at 6:48 PM robert bristow-johnson <
rbj at audioimagination.com> wrote:

>
>
> > On 03/20/2024 1:04 PM EDT Michael Garman <michael.garman at rankthevote.us>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> > No, they were promised that if their first-choice candidate was out of
> the running, their vote would count for their second choice. Important
> distinction!
> >
>
> Michael, you cannot be both honest and informed.  What you just said is
> false.
>
> From https://fairvote.org/our-reforms/ranked-choice-voting/
>
> "With RCV, voters can sincerely rank candidates in order of preference.
> Voters know that if their first choice doesn’t win, their vote
> automatically counts for their next choice instead. This frees voters from
> worrying about how others will vote and which candidates are more or less
> likely to win.
>
> Candidates can compete without fear of “splitting the vote” with
> like-minded individuals."
>
> Just tell the truth.  I'm not Michael Ossipoff, but I am also just tired
> of this shit.  Yesterday they had Deb Otis on the WBUR radio show On
> Point.  Lie, lie, lie, lie...
>
> If you can't be honest with us about the promise they make about RCV and
> the actual performance, nobody should have a conversation with you.  It's
> like talking to a Trumper.
>
>
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>
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