[EM] Fwd: Biden’s most striking moment of clarity
Michael Ossipoff
email9648742 at gmail.com
Sat Jul 20 11:56:11 PDT 2024
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:51 Michael Garman <michael.garman at rankthevote.us>
wrote:
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>
> Sure. I don’t buy that the majority of Americans are ready for that,
> either.
>
Suit yourself. Regardless of what you “buy”, a lot of commentators, of whom
Weissman at Public-Citizen is one, say you’re wrong, & that the majority of
the population want progressive policies.
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:51 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:45 Michael Garman <
>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>
>>> I thought my belief that workers should control the means of production
>>> was pretty textbook socialism. Apparently not! Ossipoff the all-wise has
>>> spoken!!
>>>
>>
>> Some progressives are Socialists. Some aren’t. The Greens are usually
>> referred to as a Social-Democratic party, not a Socialist party. Yes, they
>> advocate some nationalization, but not the degree of public-ownership that
>> defines a Socialist party.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:38 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
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>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:29 Michael Garman <
>>>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Find me a better *viable* candidate and I’ll vote for them. Someone
>>>>> who polls above 5%, please.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> An end to the massacre is viable. Most Americans don’t want the
>>>> massacre.
>>>>
>>>> All the things that the Public-Citizen article pointed out that most
>>>> people want are viable, because most people want them.
>>>>
>>>> That goes also for an end to the mass-murder that you support.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> We’re going in circles. This argument is no longer productive. And
>>>>> enjoy your dream world where the majority of Americans are not ready for
>>>>> socialism…
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I didn’t say “socialism”. That’s one of the words that you Democrats
>>>> have for progressive policies.
>>>>
>>>> …when reality catches up? A bit pretentious to refer to your beliefs as
>>>> reality.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:27 PM Michael Ossipoff <
>>>>> email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:24 Michael Garman <
>>>>>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> That’s not how it works, Mikey. Just because I belong to the same
>>>>>>> political party as Biden and consider him less horrible than Trump, it
>>>>>>> doesn’t mean I endorse everything he’s done. That’s not how voting works,
>>>>>>> dipshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No, that’s how your loyal Democrat voting works, dipshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:22 PM Michael Ossipoff <
>>>>>>> email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:19 Michael Garman <
>>>>>>>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I’m a progressive and a Democrat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Given what your Democrat president does, no Democrat is a
>>>>>>>> progressive.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yo-yos Democrat, & calling yourself a progressive is an insult to
>>>>>>>> all progressives
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And as long as there are only two viable political parties, I’ll
>>>>>>>>> remain one.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We can’t vote our way out of the genocide. But we can determine
>>>>>>>>> whether just about everything else get worse or stays largely the same.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:18 PM Michael Ossipoff <
>>>>>>>>> email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:04 Michael Garman <
>>>>>>>>>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> But for how many people is that the most important factor
>>>>>>>>>>> motivating their vote? Plenty of folks want him to stop the genocide in
>>>>>>>>>>> Gaza but are willing to vote for him either way.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Yes, many people like you support, by their voting, the
>>>>>>>>>> mass-murder that they claim to oppose in principle.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> So you want him to stop his mass-murder, mutilation & maiming of
>>>>>>>>>> children. But he hasn’t shown any willingness to stop.So you support those
>>>>>>>>>> actions by voting for them.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> When you vote for Biden, you’re voting for & supporting his
>>>>>>>>>> mass-murder.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> You aren’t a progressive. You’re a Democrat.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Are you sure that you want to support mass-murder of women &
>>>>>>>>>> children?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:02 PM Michael Ossipoff <
>>>>>>>>>>> email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 10:50 Michael Garman <
>>>>>>>>>>>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> No reference to the word “polls.” Oops!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> She refers to the wish of the vast majority of Americans for an
>>>>>>>>>>>> end of Butcher Biden’s mass murder of children.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 1:48 PM Michael Ossipoff <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jill Stein <info at jillstein2024.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 15:00
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Biden’s most striking moment of clarity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Michael Ossipoff <Email9648742 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The president has been busy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe Biden submitted to a one-on-one interview with George
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephanopoulos the other day in an effort to dig out of his post-debate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tailspin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was plenty in that interview that should be (and is)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worrying even to the president’s staunchest supporters. But one moment in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular stood out to me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: An animated GIF of a video clip from the ABC News
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden interview with George Stephanopoulos in which Stephanopoulos says
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “You’ve had months to challenge him.” and Biden responds: “Oh sure I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months but I was also doing a hell of a lot of other things like wars
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around the world.” The clip rewinds and repeats “like wars around the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.”]
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Joe Biden just admitted he wasn’t prepared to face Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because he’s been busy doing “wars around the world.”*For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the talk about the president’s age and declining acuity, I found this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be a REMARKABLY clear statement of his priorities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course we know how busy Biden has been. The worst of these
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “wars around the world” is Israel’s genocide in Gaza, armed and funded by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our government at the unyielding insistence of Joe Biden himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sorry Joe, you can’t tell us democracy is on the ballot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while you’re supplying bombs to a fascist apartheid state and facilitating
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the extermination of an entire people.*The vast majority of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Americans want an END to Israel’s bloodlust and a permanent ceasefire for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palestine. I’ve been an anti-war activist all my life, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *I’m running for president to dismantle the American war
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine.Ours is the ONLY anti-genocide, pro-peace, pro-planet, pro-worker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> campaign that will be on the ballot across the country this November.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democrats are fighting like hell to keep us off the ballot and to make sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our Warmonger in Chief stays in power. I need your help today to fight back
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The one and only campaign promise that Biden kept,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unequivocally, was his promise to donors that “Nothing will fundamentally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whether Republicans or Democrats are in control, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interests of the capital class will always be protected, and the lives of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the poor and working class will always be sacrificed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whether Republicans or Democrats are in control, we will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue burning fossil fuels and accelerating our demise as a species.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whether Republicans or Democrats are in control, America will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to wage “wars around the world.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Nothing will fundamentally change until we the people demand
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In solidarity and gratitude,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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