[EM] Fwd: Biden’s most striking moment of clarity
Michael Garman
michael.garman at rankthevote.us
Sat Jul 20 11:51:43 PDT 2024
Sure. I don’t buy that the majority of Americans are ready for that,
either.
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:51 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
wrote:
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> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:45 Michael Garman <
> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>
>> I thought my belief that workers should control the means of production
>> was pretty textbook socialism. Apparently not! Ossipoff the all-wise has
>> spoken!!
>>
>
> Some progressives are Socialists. Some aren’t. The Greens are usually
> referred to as a Social-Democratic party, not a Socialist party. Yes, they
> advocate some nationalization, but not the degree of public-ownership that
> defines a Socialist party.
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:38 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:29 Michael Garman <
>>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Find me a better *viable* candidate and I’ll vote for them. Someone who
>>>> polls above 5%, please.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> An end to the massacre is viable. Most Americans don’t want the massacre.
>>>
>>> All the things that the Public-Citizen article pointed out that most
>>> people want are viable, because most people want them.
>>>
>>> That goes also for an end to the mass-murder that you support.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> We’re going in circles. This argument is no longer productive. And
>>>> enjoy your dream world where the majority of Americans are not ready for
>>>> socialism…
>>>>
>>>
>>> I didn’t say “socialism”. That’s one of the words that you Democrats
>>> have for progressive policies.
>>>
>>> …when reality catches up? A bit pretentious to refer to your beliefs as
>>> reality.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:27 PM Michael Ossipoff <
>>>> email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:24 Michael Garman <
>>>>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That’s not how it works, Mikey. Just because I belong to the same
>>>>>> political party as Biden and consider him less horrible than Trump, it
>>>>>> doesn’t mean I endorse everything he’s done. That’s not how voting works,
>>>>>> dipshit.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> No, that’s how your loyal Democrat voting works, dipshit.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:22 PM Michael Ossipoff <
>>>>>> email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:19 Michael Garman <
>>>>>>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’m a progressive and a Democrat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Given what your Democrat president does, no Democrat is a
>>>>>>> progressive.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yo-yos Democrat, & calling yourself a progressive is an insult to
>>>>>>> all progressives
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> And as long as there are only two viable political parties, I’ll
>>>>>>>> remain one.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We can’t vote our way out of the genocide. But we can determine
>>>>>>>> whether just about everything else get worse or stays largely the same.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:18 PM Michael Ossipoff <
>>>>>>>> email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:04 Michael Garman <
>>>>>>>>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> But for how many people is that the most important factor
>>>>>>>>>> motivating their vote? Plenty of folks want him to stop the genocide in
>>>>>>>>>> Gaza but are willing to vote for him either way.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yes, many people like you support, by their voting, the
>>>>>>>>> mass-murder that they claim to oppose in principle.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So you want him to stop his mass-murder, mutilation & maiming of
>>>>>>>>> children. But he hasn’t shown any willingness to stop.So you support those
>>>>>>>>> actions by voting for them.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When you vote for Biden, you’re voting for & supporting his
>>>>>>>>> mass-murder.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> You aren’t a progressive. You’re a Democrat.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you sure that you want to support mass-murder of women &
>>>>>>>>> children?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:02 PM Michael Ossipoff <
>>>>>>>>>> email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 10:50 Michael Garman <
>>>>>>>>>>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No reference to the word “polls.” Oops!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> She refers to the wish of the vast majority of Americans for an
>>>>>>>>>>> end of Butcher Biden’s mass murder of children.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 1:48 PM Michael Ossipoff <
>>>>>>>>>>>> email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jill Stein <info at jillstein2024.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 15:00
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Biden’s most striking moment of clarity
>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Michael Ossipoff <Email9648742 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The president has been busy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: Jill Stein for President]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.jillstein2024.com/?e=fd2fdf8a58d486db63dbd3f538d9a65a&utm_source=jillsteinforpresident&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=biden_wars_around_the_world&n=1>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe Biden submitted to a one-on-one interview with George
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephanopoulos the other day in an effort to dig out of his post-debate
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tailspin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was plenty in that interview that should be (and is)
>>>>>>>>>>>>> worrying even to the president’s staunchest supporters. But one moment in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular stood out to me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: An animated GIF of a video clip from the ABC News
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden interview with George Stephanopoulos in which Stephanopoulos says
>>>>>>>>>>>>> “You’ve had months to challenge him.” and Biden responds: “Oh sure I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>> months but I was also doing a hell of a lot of other things like wars
>>>>>>>>>>>>> around the world.” The clip rewinds and repeats “like wars around the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.”]
>>>>>>>>>>>>> <https://www.jillstein2024.com/donate?e=fd2fdf8a58d486db63dbd3f538d9a65a&utm_source=jillsteinforpresident&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=biden_wars_around_the_world&n=2>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Joe Biden just admitted he wasn’t prepared to face Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>> because he’s been busy doing “wars around the world.”*For all
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the talk about the president’s age and declining acuity, I found this to be
>>>>>>>>>>>>> a REMARKABLY clear statement of his priorities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course we know how busy Biden has been. The worst of these
>>>>>>>>>>>>> “wars around the world” is Israel’s genocide in Gaza, armed and funded by
>>>>>>>>>>>>> our government at the unyielding insistence of Joe Biden himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sorry Joe, you can’t tell us democracy is on the ballot while
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you’re supplying bombs to a fascist apartheid state and facilitating the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> extermination of an entire people.*The vast majority of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Americans want an END to Israel’s bloodlust and a permanent ceasefire for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palestine. I’ve been an anti-war activist all my life, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *I’m running for president to dismantle the American war
>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine.Ours is the ONLY anti-genocide, pro-peace, pro-planet, pro-worker
>>>>>>>>>>>>> campaign that will be on the ballot across the country this November.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democrats are fighting like hell to keep us off the ballot and to make sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>> our Warmonger in Chief stays in power. I need your help today to fight back
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and make sure we ARE on the ballot in every state.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The one and only campaign promise that Biden kept,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> unequivocally, was his promise to donors that “Nothing will fundamentally
>>>>>>>>>>>>> change.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whether Republicans or Democrats are in control, the interests
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the capital class will always be protected, and the lives of the poor
>>>>>>>>>>>>> and working class will always be sacrificed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whether Republicans or Democrats are in control, we will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue burning fossil fuels and accelerating our demise as a species.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whether Republicans or Democrats are in control, America will
>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to wage “wars around the world.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Nothing will fundamentally change until we the people demand
>>>>>>>>>>>>> it. Our campaign is that demand, and we need your help to deliver that
>>>>>>>>>>>>> message on November 5th.
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In solidarity and gratitude,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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