[EM] Fwd: Biden’s most striking moment of clarity
Michael Ossipoff
email9648742 at gmail.com
Sat Jul 20 11:50:42 PDT 2024
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:45 Michael Garman <michael.garman at rankthevote.us>
wrote:
> I thought my belief that workers should control the means of production
> was pretty textbook socialism. Apparently not! Ossipoff the all-wise has
> spoken!!
>
Some progressives are Socialists. Some aren’t. The Greens are usually
referred to as a Social-Democratic party, not a Socialist party. Yes, they
advocate some nationalization, but not the degree of public-ownership that
defines a Socialist party.
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:38 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
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>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:29 Michael Garman <
>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Find me a better *viable* candidate and I’ll vote for them. Someone who
>>> polls above 5%, please.
>>>
>>>
>> An end to the massacre is viable. Most Americans don’t want the massacre.
>>
>> All the things that the Public-Citizen article pointed out that most
>> people want are viable, because most people want them.
>>
>> That goes also for an end to the mass-murder that you support.
>>
>>>
>>> We’re going in circles. This argument is no longer productive. And enjoy
>>> your dream world where the majority of Americans are not ready for
>>> socialism…
>>>
>>
>> I didn’t say “socialism”. That’s one of the words that you Democrats have
>> for progressive policies.
>>
>> …when reality catches up? A bit pretentious to refer to your beliefs as
>> reality.
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:27 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:24 Michael Garman <
>>>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> That’s not how it works, Mikey. Just because I belong to the same
>>>>> political party as Biden and consider him less horrible than Trump, it
>>>>> doesn’t mean I endorse everything he’s done. That’s not how voting works,
>>>>> dipshit.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, that’s how your loyal Democrat voting works, dipshit.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:22 PM Michael Ossipoff <
>>>>> email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:19 Michael Garman <
>>>>>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’m a progressive and a Democrat.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Given what your Democrat president does, no Democrat is a progressive.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yo-yos Democrat, & calling yourself a progressive is an insult to all
>>>>>> progressives
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And as long as there are only two viable political parties, I’ll
>>>>>>> remain one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> We can’t vote our way out of the genocide. But we can determine
>>>>>>> whether just about everything else get worse or stays largely the same.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:18 PM Michael Ossipoff <
>>>>>>> email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:04 Michael Garman <
>>>>>>>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> But for how many people is that the most important factor
>>>>>>>>> motivating their vote? Plenty of folks want him to stop the genocide in
>>>>>>>>> Gaza but are willing to vote for him either way.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, many people like you support, by their voting, the mass-murder
>>>>>>>> that they claim to oppose in principle.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So you want him to stop his mass-murder, mutilation & maiming of
>>>>>>>> children. But he hasn’t shown any willingness to stop.So you support those
>>>>>>>> actions by voting for them.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> When you vote for Biden, you’re voting for & supporting his
>>>>>>>> mass-murder.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You aren’t a progressive. You’re a Democrat.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Are you sure that you want to support mass-murder of women &
>>>>>>>> children?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:02 PM Michael Ossipoff <
>>>>>>>>> email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 10:50 Michael Garman <
>>>>>>>>>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> No reference to the word “polls.” Oops!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> She refers to the wish of the vast majority of Americans for an
>>>>>>>>>> end of Butcher Biden’s mass murder of children.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 1:48 PM Michael Ossipoff <
>>>>>>>>>>> email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jill Stein <info at jillstein2024.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 15:00
>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Biden’s most striking moment of clarity
>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Michael Ossipoff <Email9648742 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The president has been busy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe Biden submitted to a one-on-one interview with George
>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephanopoulos the other day in an effort to dig out of his post-debate
>>>>>>>>>>>> tailspin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> There was plenty in that interview that should be (and is)
>>>>>>>>>>>> worrying even to the president’s staunchest supporters. But one moment in
>>>>>>>>>>>> particular stood out to me:
>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: An animated GIF of a video clip from the ABC News Biden
>>>>>>>>>>>> interview with George Stephanopoulos in which Stephanopoulos says “You’ve
>>>>>>>>>>>> had months to challenge him.” and Biden responds: “Oh sure I had months but
>>>>>>>>>>>> I was also doing a hell of a lot of other things like wars around the
>>>>>>>>>>>> world.” The clip rewinds and repeats “like wars around the world.”]
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Joe Biden just admitted he wasn’t prepared to face Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>> because he’s been busy doing “wars around the world.”*For all
>>>>>>>>>>>> the talk about the president’s age and declining acuity, I found this to be
>>>>>>>>>>>> a REMARKABLY clear statement of his priorities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course we know how busy Biden has been. The worst of these
>>>>>>>>>>>> “wars around the world” is Israel’s genocide in Gaza, armed and funded by
>>>>>>>>>>>> our government at the unyielding insistence of Joe Biden himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sorry Joe, you can’t tell us democracy is on the ballot while
>>>>>>>>>>>> you’re supplying bombs to a fascist apartheid state and facilitating the
>>>>>>>>>>>> extermination of an entire people.*The vast majority of
>>>>>>>>>>>> Americans want an END to Israel’s bloodlust and a permanent ceasefire for
>>>>>>>>>>>> Palestine. I’ve been an anti-war activist all my life, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *I’m running for president to dismantle the American war
>>>>>>>>>>>> machine.Ours is the ONLY anti-genocide, pro-peace, pro-planet, pro-worker
>>>>>>>>>>>> campaign that will be on the ballot across the country this November.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Democrats are fighting like hell to keep us off the ballot and to make sure
>>>>>>>>>>>> our Warmonger in Chief stays in power. I need your help today to fight back
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The one and only campaign promise that Biden kept,
>>>>>>>>>>>> unequivocally, was his promise to donors that “Nothing will fundamentally
>>>>>>>>>>>> change.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Whether Republicans or Democrats are in control, the interests
>>>>>>>>>>>> of the capital class will always be protected, and the lives of the poor
>>>>>>>>>>>> and working class will always be sacrificed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Whether Republicans or Democrats are in control, we will
>>>>>>>>>>>> continue burning fossil fuels and accelerating our demise as a species.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Whether Republicans or Democrats are in control, America will
>>>>>>>>>>>> continue to wage “wars around the world.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> *Nothing will fundamentally change until we the people demand
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>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> In solidarity and gratitude,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>>>
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