[EM] Fwd: Biden’s most striking moment of clarity
Michael Garman
michael.garman at rankthevote.us
Sat Jul 20 11:58:04 PDT 2024
But are the majority of Americans willing to vote for a progressive party?
Sadly not.
On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:56 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
wrote:
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> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:51 Michael Garman <
> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
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>>
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>> Sure. I don’t buy that the majority of Americans are ready for that,
>> either.
>>
>
> Suit yourself. Regardless of what you “buy”, a lot of commentators, of
> whom Weissman at Public-Citizen is one, say you’re wrong, & that the
> majority of the population want progressive policies.
>
>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:51 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
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>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:45 Michael Garman <
>>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I thought my belief that workers should control the means of production
>>>> was pretty textbook socialism. Apparently not! Ossipoff the all-wise has
>>>> spoken!!
>>>>
>>>
>>> Some progressives are Socialists. Some aren’t. The Greens are usually
>>> referred to as a Social-Democratic party, not a Socialist party. Yes, they
>>> advocate some nationalization, but not the degree of public-ownership that
>>> defines a Socialist party.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:38 PM Michael Ossipoff <
>>>> email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:29 Michael Garman <
>>>>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Find me a better *viable* candidate and I’ll vote for them. Someone
>>>>>> who polls above 5%, please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> An end to the massacre is viable. Most Americans don’t want the
>>>>> massacre.
>>>>>
>>>>> All the things that the Public-Citizen article pointed out that most
>>>>> people want are viable, because most people want them.
>>>>>
>>>>> That goes also for an end to the mass-murder that you support.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> We’re going in circles. This argument is no longer productive. And
>>>>>> enjoy your dream world where the majority of Americans are not ready for
>>>>>> socialism…
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I didn’t say “socialism”. That’s one of the words that you Democrats
>>>>> have for progressive policies.
>>>>>
>>>>> …when reality catches up? A bit pretentious to refer to your beliefs
>>>>> as reality.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:27 PM Michael Ossipoff <
>>>>>> email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:24 Michael Garman <
>>>>>>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> That’s not how it works, Mikey. Just because I belong to the same
>>>>>>>> political party as Biden and consider him less horrible than Trump, it
>>>>>>>> doesn’t mean I endorse everything he’s done. That’s not how voting works,
>>>>>>>> dipshit.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No, that’s how your loyal Democrat voting works, dipshit.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:22 PM Michael Ossipoff <
>>>>>>>> email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:19 Michael Garman <
>>>>>>>>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I’m a progressive and a Democrat.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> :-)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Given what your Democrat president does, no Democrat is a
>>>>>>>>> progressive.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yo-yos Democrat, & calling yourself a progressive is an insult to
>>>>>>>>> all progressives
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And as long as there are only two viable political parties, I’ll
>>>>>>>>>> remain one.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> We can’t vote our way out of the genocide. But we can determine
>>>>>>>>>> whether just about everything else get worse or stays largely the same.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:18 PM Michael Ossipoff <
>>>>>>>>>> email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 11:04 Michael Garman <
>>>>>>>>>>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> But for how many people is that the most important factor
>>>>>>>>>>>> motivating their vote? Plenty of folks want him to stop the genocide in
>>>>>>>>>>>> Gaza but are willing to vote for him either way.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Yes, many people like you support, by their voting, the
>>>>>>>>>>> mass-murder that they claim to oppose in principle.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So you want him to stop his mass-murder, mutilation & maiming of
>>>>>>>>>>> children. But he hasn’t shown any willingness to stop.So you support those
>>>>>>>>>>> actions by voting for them.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> When you vote for Biden, you’re voting for & supporting his
>>>>>>>>>>> mass-murder.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> You aren’t a progressive. You’re a Democrat.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Are you sure that you want to support mass-murder of women &
>>>>>>>>>>> children?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 2:02 PM Michael Ossipoff <
>>>>>>>>>>>> email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 10:50 Michael Garman <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> No reference to the word “polls.” Oops!!!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> She refers to the wish of the vast majority of Americans for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> an end of Butcher Biden’s mass murder of children.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 20, 2024 at 1:48 PM Michael Ossipoff <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: Jill Stein <info at jillstein2024.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: Wed, Jul 10, 2024 at 15:00
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Biden’s most striking moment of clarity
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Michael Ossipoff <Email9648742 at gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The president has been busy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Michael,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Joe Biden submitted to a one-on-one interview with George
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Stephanopoulos the other day in an effort to dig out of his post-debate
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> tailspin.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> There was plenty in that interview that should be (and is)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worrying even to the president’s staunchest supporters. But one moment in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> particular stood out to me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [image: An animated GIF of a video clip from the ABC News
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Biden interview with George Stephanopoulos in which Stephanopoulos says
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> “You’ve had months to challenge him.” and Biden responds: “Oh sure I had
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> months but I was also doing a hell of a lot of other things like wars
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> around the world.” The clip rewinds and repeats “like wars around the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> world.”]
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Joe Biden just admitted he wasn’t prepared to face Trump
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> because he’s been busy doing “wars around the world.”*For
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all the talk about the president’s age and declining acuity, I found this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to be a REMARKABLY clear statement of his priorities.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Of course we know how busy Biden has been. The worst of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these “wars around the world” is Israel’s genocide in Gaza, armed and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> funded by our government at the unyielding insistence of Joe Biden himself.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *Sorry Joe, you can’t tell us democracy is on the ballot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> while you’re supplying bombs to a fascist apartheid state and facilitating
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the extermination of an entire people.*The vast majority of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Americans want an END to Israel’s bloodlust and a permanent ceasefire for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Palestine. I’ve been an anti-war activist all my life, and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> *I’m running for president to dismantle the American war
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine.Ours is the ONLY anti-genocide, pro-peace, pro-planet, pro-worker
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> campaign that will be on the ballot across the country this November.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Democrats are fighting like hell to keep us off the ballot and to make sure
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> our Warmonger in Chief stays in power. I need your help today to fight back
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The one and only campaign promise that Biden kept,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> unequivocally, was his promise to donors that “Nothing will fundamentally
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> change.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whether Republicans or Democrats are in control, the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interests of the capital class will always be protected, and the lives of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the poor and working class will always be sacrificed.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whether Republicans or Democrats are in control, we will
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> continue burning fossil fuels and accelerating our demise as a species.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whether Republicans or Democrats are in control, America
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will continue to wage “wars around the world.”
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In solidarity and gratitude,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Jill
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
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