[EM] Poll Ballot, from Richard

Thu Jul 18 01:43:14 PDT 2024

My magic plan is honest voting.

Not splitting the non-Trump between honest voters & giveaway-sucker voters.

Not having a high percentage of us throw their vote away on someone none of
us want.

Do you see the lunacy of most of the voters holding their nose & voting for
someone that none of us want?

On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 01:15 Michael Garman <michael.garman at rankthevote.us>
wrote:

>
> What’s your magic plan to make a third party candidate win in 2024? A plan
> that doesn’t rely on unrepresentative Internet alternative method polls.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 18, 2024 at 1:43 AM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 22:16 John T Whelan <john.whelan at astro.rit.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Richard gets at the fundamental problem with polls like this: anyone
>>> willing to run for President as a third party candidate in the current
>>> political climate under the current electoral system has shown a lack of
>>> judgement and responsibility which makes them an unacceptable choice.
>>>
>>
>> No, it just means they aren’t lesser-evil suckers.
>>
>> The-Two-Choices are for the suckers who believe whatever ther TV tells
>> them
>>
>> e.g. the bizarre looney belief that two candidates & parties that none of
>> us want could be The-Two-Choices.
>>
>> Yes, it would be better to have a better electoral system. That’s why
>> we’re all here.
>>
>> But that doesn’t mean we have to continue to be such complete suckers now.
>>
>> Michael Ossipoff
>>
>>
>>
>>>
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>>> On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 16:55 Richard, the VoteFair guy <
>>> electionmethods at votefair.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Michael, here is my ballot.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> If you claim you need a full ranking, then I choose not to vote in this
>>>> poll.
>>>
>>>
>>> Richard—
>>>
>>> Ballot recorded.
>>>
>>>>
>>> No, neither RP(wv), nor RCV, nor STV requires a full ranking. So your
>>> ballot is perfectly technically valid & complete, as-is.
>>>
>>> That's because I don't have time to research unfamiliar
>>>> candidates and unfamiliar parties.
>>>
>>>
>>> Of course, that’s a good reason to vote a short ranking or a 1-candidate
>>> approval.
>>>
>>> I & others voted that way in the voting-systems poll.
>>>
>>> It would probably be as inappropriate as hell for the poll proposer &
>>> conductor to comment on someone’s ballot.
>>>
>>> But surely it would be okay for anyone here to reply to someone else’s
>>> political comments, or evaluations of candidates & parties.
>>>
>>> Such discussion is necessary, & there’s an understanding here that
>>> “electioneering” is part of polling…or at least should be permissible. I
>>> believe that it’s more than permissible: Discussion about why we vote as we
>>> do, & the expression of contrary opinions, reactions or choices, are
>>> essential.
>>>
>>> But it probably wouldn’t be appropriate in the “official” reply that
>>> acknowledges your ballot.
>>>
>>> So I’ll reply in a separate post, immediately after this one.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> In the candidate poll my ballot is that I rank Biden as the only
>>>> "approved" candidate -- even though I wish he would drop out and
>>>> transfer his delegate votes to nearly anyone.
>>>>
>>>> I rank Trump at the bottom of the candidate list, below all the other
>>>> candidates, because he wants to destroy democracy, destroy the U.S.
>>>> economy as a favor to Putin, and destroy the U.S. military as another
>>>> favor to Putin.
>>>>
>>>> In between I rank all the other candidates at the same preference
>>>> level,
>>>> and not worth researching to rank them because they lack high-level
>>>> executive experience and expertise.
>>>>
>>>> In the party poll, I rank the Democratic party as the only "approved"
>>>> party because it's the only party offering a viable candidate.
>>>>
>>>> Under current circumstances I rank the Republican party at the bottom
>>>> of
>>>> the list, below all other parties.  That's because they are not
>>>> offering
>>>> a candidate who wants to preserve fair elections, protect the U.S.
>>>> against its enemies, and improve the economy.  As another flaw, the new
>>>> Republican party platform claims the presidential election will not be
>>>> fair if the Republican candidate doesn't win the presidential election.
>>>>
>>>> In case you didn't notice the above words "only approved party," I'll
>>>> clarify that all the parties other than the Democratic party are
>>>> "unapproved" because they do not offer viable candidates.
>>>>
>>>> Apparently, in this poll, you want me to point to one party as the one
>>>> I
>>>> like.  It's "none of the above."  That's because I dislike all current
>>>> U.S. political parties.  Yes, I'm willing to "throw away" this vote to
>>>> express this preference.
>>>>
>>>> Clarification:  I register with either the Republican or Democratic
>>>> party so I can vote in the primary elections of one or the other of the
>>>> two parties that supply viable nominees.  I switch between those two
>>>> parties periodically.  I dislike them both.  I also dislike all third
>>>> parties.
>>>>
>>>> My dislike of existing political parties is why I promote
>>>> election-method reform!  If U.S. election reforms are well-designed,
>>>> then in the future at least one U.S. party will be motivated to offer
>>>> wise problem-solving leaders instead of whatever you want to call their
>>>> current nominees.
>>>>
>>>> Richard Fobes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7/16/2024 9:24 PM, Michael Ossipoff wrote:
>>>> > One reason for my voting 1st is to demonstrate what I mean by the
>>>> > voting-instructions:
>>>>
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