[EM] Poll Ballot, from Richard

[Michael Ossipoff]

On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 22:16 John T Whelan <john.whelan at astro.rit.edu>
wrote:

> Richard gets at the fundamental problem with polls like this: anyone
> willing to run for President as a third party candidate in the current
> political climate under the current electoral system has shown a lack of
> judgement and responsibility which makes them an unacceptable choice.
>

No, it just means they aren’t lesser-evil suckers.

The-Two-Choices are for the suckers who believe whatever ther TV tells them

e.g. the bizarre looney belief that two candidates & parties that none of
us want could be The-Two-Choices.

Yes, it would be better to have a better electoral system. That’s why we’re
all here.

But that doesn’t mean we have to continue to be such complete suckers now.

Michael Ossipoff



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> On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 16:55 Richard, the VoteFair guy <
> electionmethods at votefair.org> wrote:
>
>> Michael, here is my ballot.
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>> If you claim you need a full ranking, then I choose not to vote in this
>> poll.
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>
> Richard—
>
> Ballot recorded.
>
>>
> No, neither RP(wv), nor RCV, nor STV requires a full ranking. So your
> ballot is perfectly technically valid & complete, as-is.
>
> That's because I don't have time to research unfamiliar
>> candidates and unfamiliar parties.
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>
> Of course, that’s a good reason to vote a short ranking or a 1-candidate
> approval.
>
> I & others voted that way in the voting-systems poll.
>
> It would probably be as inappropriate as hell for the poll proposer &
> conductor to comment on someone’s ballot.
>
> But surely it would be okay for anyone here to reply to someone else’s
> political comments, or evaluations of candidates & parties.
>
> Such discussion is necessary, & there’s an understanding here that
> “electioneering” is part of polling…or at least should be permissible. I
> believe that it’s more than permissible: Discussion about why we vote as we
> do, & the expression of contrary opinions, reactions or choices, are
> essential.
>
> But it probably wouldn’t be appropriate in the “official” reply that
> acknowledges your ballot.
>
> So I’ll reply in a separate post, immediately after this one.
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>>
>> In the candidate poll my ballot is that I rank Biden as the only
>> "approved" candidate -- even though I wish he would drop out and
>> transfer his delegate votes to nearly anyone.
>>
>> I rank Trump at the bottom of the candidate list, below all the other
>> candidates, because he wants to destroy democracy, destroy the U.S.
>> economy as a favor to Putin, and destroy the U.S. military as another
>> favor to Putin.
>>
>> In between I rank all the other candidates at the same preference level,
>> and not worth researching to rank them because they lack high-level
>> executive experience and expertise.
>>
>> In the party poll, I rank the Democratic party as the only "approved"
>> party because it's the only party offering a viable candidate.
>>
>> Under current circumstances I rank the Republican party at the bottom of
>> the list, below all other parties.  That's because they are not offering
>> a candidate who wants to preserve fair elections, protect the U.S.
>> against its enemies, and improve the economy.  As another flaw, the new
>> Republican party platform claims the presidential election will not be
>> fair if the Republican candidate doesn't win the presidential election.
>>
>> In case you didn't notice the above words "only approved party," I'll
>> clarify that all the parties other than the Democratic party are
>> "unapproved" because they do not offer viable candidates.
>>
>> Apparently, in this poll, you want me to point to one party as the one I
>> like.  It's "none of the above."  That's because I dislike all current
>> U.S. political parties.  Yes, I'm willing to "throw away" this vote to
>> express this preference.
>>
>> Clarification:  I register with either the Republican or Democratic
>> party so I can vote in the primary elections of one or the other of the
>> two parties that supply viable nominees.  I switch between those two
>> parties periodically.  I dislike them both.  I also dislike all third
>> parties.
>>
>> My dislike of existing political parties is why I promote
>> election-method reform!  If U.S. election reforms are well-designed,
>> then in the future at least one U.S. party will be motivated to offer
>> wise problem-solving leaders instead of whatever you want to call their
>> current nominees.
>>
>> Richard Fobes
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7/16/2024 9:24 PM, Michael Ossipoff wrote:
>> > One reason for my voting 1st is to demonstrate what I mean by the
>> > voting-instructions:
>>
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