[EM] Poll Ballot, from Richard

[John T Whelan]

Richard gets at the fundamental problem with polls like this: anyone willing to run for President as a third party candidate in the current political climate under the current electoral system has shown a lack of judgement and responsibility which makes them an unacceptable choice. There are a number of people I'd rather see as President than Biden, but they're not running this year. Likewise, responsible alternative parties only seem to develop when they have a chance to participate in government.  If we had a real multi party system, the different factions in the established parties would make up 4-5 smaller parties that would govern in coalition.

JTW


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Subject: Re: [EM] Poll Ballot, from Richard


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On Wed, Jul 17, 2024 at 16:55 Richard, the VoteFair guy <electionmethods at votefair.org<mailto:electionmethods at votefair.org>> wrote:
Michael, here is my ballot.


If you claim you need a full ranking, then I choose not to vote in this
poll.

Richard—

Ballot recorded.

No, neither RP(wv), nor RCV, nor STV requires a full ranking. So your ballot is perfectly technically valid & complete, as-is.

That's because I don't have time to research unfamiliar
candidates and unfamiliar parties.

Of course, that’s a good reason to vote a short ranking or a 1-candidate approval.

I & others voted that way in the voting-systems poll.

It would probably be as inappropriate as hell for the poll proposer & conductor to comment on someone’s ballot.

But surely it would be okay for anyone here to reply to someone else’s political comments, or evaluations of candidates & parties.

Such discussion is necessary, & there’s an understanding here that “electioneering” is part of polling…or at least should be permissible. I believe that it’s more than permissible: Discussion about why we vote as we do, & the expression of contrary opinions, reactions or choices, are essential.

But it probably wouldn’t be appropriate in the “official” reply that acknowledges your ballot.

So I’ll reply in a separate post, immediately after this one.







In the candidate poll my ballot is that I rank Biden as the only
"approved" candidate -- even though I wish he would drop out and
transfer his delegate votes to nearly anyone.

I rank Trump at the bottom of the candidate list, below all the other
candidates, because he wants to destroy democracy, destroy the U.S.
economy as a favor to Putin, and destroy the U.S. military as another
favor to Putin.

In between I rank all the other candidates at the same preference level,
and not worth researching to rank them because they lack high-level
executive experience and expertise.

In the party poll, I rank the Democratic party as the only "approved"
party because it's the only party offering a viable candidate.

Under current circumstances I rank the Republican party at the bottom of
the list, below all other parties.  That's because they are not offering
a candidate who wants to preserve fair elections, protect the U.S.
against its enemies, and improve the economy.  As another flaw, the new
Republican party platform claims the presidential election will not be
fair if the Republican candidate doesn't win the presidential election.

In case you didn't notice the above words "only approved party," I'll
clarify that all the parties other than the Democratic party are
"unapproved" because they do not offer viable candidates.

Apparently, in this poll, you want me to point to one party as the one I
like.  It's "none of the above."  That's because I dislike all current
U.S. political parties.  Yes, I'm willing to "throw away" this vote to
express this preference.

Clarification:  I register with either the Republican or Democratic
party so I can vote in the primary elections of one or the other of the
two parties that supply viable nominees.  I switch between those two
parties periodically.  I dislike them both.  I also dislike all third
parties.

My dislike of existing political parties is why I promote
election-method reform!  If U.S. election reforms are well-designed,
then in the future at least one U.S. party will be motivated to offer
wise problem-solving leaders instead of whatever you want to call their
current nominees.

Richard Fobes



On 7/16/2024 9:24 PM, Michael Ossipoff wrote:
> One reason for my voting 1st is to demonstrate what I mean by the
> voting-instructions:

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