[EM] Poll on voting-systems, to inform voters in upcoming enactment-elections

robert bristow-johnson rbj at audioimagination.com
Sat Apr 6 09:55:40 PDT 2024


Well I nominate Kristofer to administer the poll.  Michael, if you are plonking people or vise versa, it might not be as good for you to administer the poll.There seems to be a whole shitload of alternatives.  But a good method can handle that.Powered by Cricket Wireless------ Original message------From: Kristofer MunsterhjelmDate: Sat, Apr 6, 2024 12:40To: robert bristow-johnson;Toby Pereira;Filip Ejlak;Michael Ossipoff;Cc: EM;Subject:Re: [EM] Poll on voting-systems, to inform voters in upcoming enactment-electionsOn 2024-04-06 16:33, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
> Kristofer, what method should be used to poll on the preference on methods?

For the ranked ballots, I'd just use one of the defeat-droppers. I 
imagine that they would all lead to the same result up to ties. I like 
Ext-Minmax[1] myself because it has a very low tie rate, but again, I 
think anything would do.

If there's a cycle, I'd report the Smith set.

Rob LeGrand's ranked-ballot voting calculator, listed at 
https://electowiki.org/wiki/Online_poll, can both do Minmax and identify 
the Smith set. It can't do Ext-Minmax, but it should be relatively easy 
to verify the order by eyeballing the Condorcet matrix if that becomes 
an issue.

As I understood it, Mike also wanted to do an Approval poll by asking us 
to submit Approval ballots alongside the ranked ones. For these, the 
method would be Approval itself. I probably wouldn't ask for an Approval 
poll if I were running it, but it doesn't bother me if one's included 
either.

-km

[1] Ext-Minmax is just: the winner is the candidate with the least worst 
pairwise defeat. Break remaining ties by second worst defeats, third 
worst defeats, etc.
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