[EM] Poll on voting-systems, to inform voters in upcoming enactment-elections

[Michael Ossipoff]

This is to acknowledge the nominations of Smith//Default-Approval,
Smith//Explicit-Approval, Margins-Sorted Approval, & Smith//DAC.

I’d say include STAR, because that’s what its advocates would want.  …or
would they? Its enactment is going to be voted-on in Eugene next month, &
what if it finishes low here? That would be worse for the Eugene initiative
than not including it.

Of course showing voters about methods’ popularity here is my
stated-purpose for the poll, & the fact that it’s about to be voted on for
enactment would seem to suggest including it.

But the advocates of STAR have been working hard, completely in good faith,
& STAR is a lot better than IRV. Those are two good reasons to let
EqualVote decide on STAR’s inclusion in the poll.

I’ll ask the EqualVote group, & go by what they say.

(In fact STAR, while more complicated than Approval, has nothing like the
amount of count-complexity of Condorcet, or the consequent amount of
count-insecurity & count-fraud vulnerability. I personally don’t propose
STAR, because I regard it as an inbetween compromise between Approval & the
ranked-methods, & I want the absolutely minimal. (I only propose Condorcet
to jurisdictions where people insist on rankings.) …but, by my
simplicity-standard, STAR scores high, even though I don’t propose it.)

So the nominations list so-far is now (listed in order of nomination):

Approval
RP(wv)
Schulze
IRV
Plurality
MinMax(wv)
Black
Baldwin
Benham
Woodall
Schwartz-Woodall
Smith//Approval (of all ranked)
Smith//Approval (of what is specified)
Margin-Sorted Approval
Smith//DAC



On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 04:03 Chris Benham <cbenhamau at yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>
> I would like to nominate several methods.
>
> Smith//Approval (Ranking):
>
> Voters rank from the top only those candidates they "approve",
> equal-ranking allowed,
> the most approved member of the voted Smith set wins.
>
> Smith//Approval (specified cutoff):
>
> Voters rank from the top however many candidates they wish and can also
> specify an approval
> cutoff/threshold. Default approval is only for candidates ranked below no
> others (i.e. ranked top
> or equal-top).
> The most approved member of the Smith set wins.
>
> Margins Sorted Approval (specified cutoff):
>
> Voters rank from the top however many candidates they wish and can also
> specify an approval
> cutoff/threshold. Default approval is only for candidates ranked below no
> others (i.e. ranked top
> or equal-top).
>
> A Forrest Simmons invention. Candidates are listed in approval score order
> and if any adjacent pairs
> are pairwise out of order then this is corrected by flipping the
> out-of-order pair with the smallest
> margin. If there is a tie for this we flip the less approved pair. Repeat
> until there are no adjacent pairs
> of candidates that are pairwise out of order, then elect the
> highest-ordered candidate.
>
> Smith//:DAC
>
> Voters rank from the top however many candidates they wish, equal-ranking
> allowed.
> Eliminate candidates not in the Smith set and then apply
> Woodall's Descending Acquiescing Coalitions method.
>
> There is a method I hate that is apparently contending in the real world:
> "STAR". Given the stated purpose of
> this poll, is there a case for including it?
>
> Chris Benham
>
>
>
> *Michael Ossipoff* email9648742 at gmail.com
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> *Wed Apr 3 22:13:28 PDT 2024*
>
>
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>
> EM used to do a lot of polls, but now never does. So I wouldn’t propose
> one, if it weren’t for the fact that, this year, the voters of at least two
> states are going to vote on whether to enact a certain voting-system.
>
> It seems to me—tell me if I’m wrong—that those people have a right to know
> how people familiar with voting-systems feel about the relative merits of
> some voting-systems.
>
> So, though I claim that polls are valuable for demonstrating the experience
> of using the voting systems, & how they work, & what they’ll do—& are
> therefore useful & worthwhile for their own sake—this poll that I now
> propose isn’t a poll for its own sake.
>
> It is, as I said, proposed for the important practical purpose of letting
> the voters in the upcoming enactment-elections know how we feel about the
> relative merits of some voting-systems, including the one that they’re
> about to vote on the enactment of.
>
> The voting-method for the poll:
>
> It seems to me that Schulze is the most popular ranked voting-system, among
> the people at EM.
>
> …& it seems to me that the last time we voted on EM’s collective favorite
> voting-system, Approval won.
>
> Those seem the top-two, in EM popularity.
>
>
>
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