[EM] Poll on voting-systems, to inform voters in upcoming enactment-elections

[Chris Benham]

Michael,

Why do you think that  STAR is better than IRV (aka Hare) ?

And surely anyone here on this list can nominate any method they choose 
(and have it accepted/acknowledged) regardless of whether or not the 
method's supporters want it nominated.

Chris Benham


On 6/04/2024 10:46 pm, Michael Ossipoff wrote:
>
> This is to acknowledge the nominations of Smith//Default-Approval, 
> Smith//Explicit-Approval, Margins-Sorted Approval, & Smith//DAC.
>
> I’d say include STAR, because that’s what its advocates would want. 
>  …or would they? Its enactment is going to be voted-on in Eugene next 
> month, & what if it finishes low here? That would be worse for the 
> Eugene initiative than not including it.
>
> Of course showing voters about methods’ popularity here is my 
> stated-purpose for the poll, & the fact that it’s about to be voted on 
> for enactment would seem to suggest including it.
>
> But the advocates of STAR have been working hard, completely in good 
> faith, & STAR is a lot better than IRV. Those are two good reasons to 
> let EqualVote decide on STAR’s inclusion in the poll.
>
> I’ll ask the EqualVote group, & go by what they say.
>
> (In fact STAR, while more complicated than Approval, has nothing like 
> the amount of count-complexity of Condorcet, or the consequent amount 
> of count-insecurity & count-fraud vulnerability. I personally don’t 
> propose STAR, because I regard it as an inbetween compromise between 
> Approval & the ranked-methods, & I want the absolutely minimal. (I 
> only propose Condorcet to jurisdictions where people insist on 
> rankings.) …but, by my simplicity-standard, STAR scores high, even 
> though I don’t propose it.)
>
> So the nominations list so-far is now (listed in order of nomination):
>
> Approval
> RP(wv)
> Schulze
> IRV
> Plurality
> MinMax(wv)
> Black
> Baldwin
> Benham
> Woodall
> Schwartz-Woodall
> Smith//Approval (of all ranked)
> Smith//Approval (of what is specified)
> Margin-Sorted Approval
> Smith//DAC
>
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 04:03 Chris Benham <cbenhamau at yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>
>     I would like to nominate several methods.
>
>     Smith//Approval (Ranking):
>
>     Voters rank from the top only those candidates they "approve",
>     equal-ranking allowed,
>     the most approved member of the voted Smith set wins.
>
>     Smith//Approval (specified cutoff):
>
>     Voters rank from the top however many candidates they wish and can
>     also specify an approval
>     cutoff/threshold. Default approval is only for candidates ranked
>     below no others (i.e. ranked top
>     or equal-top).
>     The most approved member of the Smith set wins.
>
>     Margins Sorted Approval (specified cutoff):
>
>     Voters rank from the top however many candidates they wish and can
>     also specify an approval
>     cutoff/threshold. Default approval is only for candidates ranked
>     below no others (i.e. ranked top
>     or equal-top).
>
>     A Forrest Simmons invention. Candidates are listed in approval
>     score order and if any adjacent pairs
>     are pairwise out of order then this is corrected by flipping the
>     out-of-order pair with the smallest
>     margin. If there is a tie for this we flip the less approved pair.
>     Repeat until there are no adjacent pairs
>     of candidates that are pairwise out of order, then elect the
>     highest-ordered candidate.
>
>     Smith//:DAC
>
>     Voters rank from the top however many candidates they wish,
>     equal-ranking allowed.
>     Eliminate candidates not in the Smith set and then apply
>     Woodall's Descending Acquiescing Coalitions method.
>
>     There is a method I hate that is apparently contending in the real
>     world: "STAR". Given the stated purpose of
>     this poll, is there a case for including it?
>
>     Chris Benham
>
>
>
>>     *Michael Ossipoff*email9648742 at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:election-methods%40lists.electorama.com?Subject=Re%3A%20%5BEM%5D%20Poll%20on%20voting-systems%2C%0A%20to%20inform%20voters%20in%20upcoming%20enactment-elections&In-Reply-To=%3CCAOKDY5BkSGJkX%3D7zWXBr2t1SBNVMNj96wm-T8ubvr_wGM5h51w%40mail.gmail.com%3E>
>>     /Wed Apr 3 22:13:28 PDT 2024/
>>
>>
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>>     EM used to do a lot of polls, but now never does. So I wouldn’t propose
>>     one, if it weren’t for the fact that, this year, the voters of at least two
>>     states are going to vote on whether to enact a certain voting-system.
>>
>>     It seems to me—tell me if I’m wrong—that those people have a right to know
>>     how people familiar with voting-systems feel about the relative merits of
>>     some voting-systems.
>>
>>     So, though I claim that polls are valuable for demonstrating the experience
>>     of using the voting systems, & how they work, & what they’ll do—& are
>>     therefore useful & worthwhile for their own sake—this poll that I now
>>     propose isn’t a poll for its own sake.
>>
>>     It is, as I said, proposed for the important practical purpose of letting
>>     the voters in the upcoming enactment-elections know how we feel about the
>>     relative merits of some voting-systems, including the one that they’re
>>     about to vote on the enactment of.
>>
>>     The voting-method for the poll:
>>
>>     It seems to me that Schulze is the most popular ranked voting-system, among
>>     the people at EM.
>>
>>     …& it seems to me that the last time we voted on EM’s collective favorite
>>     voting-system, Approval won.
>>
>>     Those seem the top-two, in EM popularity.
>
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