[EM] Poll on voting-systems, to inform voters in upcoming enactment-elections

[Michael Garman]

Considering the options those voters will have on their ballots will be IRV
and FPP, it makes far more sense to just poll those two.

On Thu, Apr 4, 2024 at 7:13 AM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> EM used to do a lot of polls, but now never does. So I wouldn’t propose
> one, if it weren’t for the fact that, this year, the voters of at least two
> states are going to vote on whether to enact a certain voting-system.
>
> It seems to me—tell me if I’m wrong—that those people have a right to know
> how people familiar with voting-systems feel about the relative merits of
> some voting-systems.
>
> So, though I claim that polls are valuable for demonstrating the
> experience of using the voting systems, & how they work, & what they’ll
> do—& are therefore useful & worthwhile for their own sake—this poll that I
> now propose isn’t a poll for its own sake.
>
> It is, as I said, proposed for the important practical purpose of letting
> the voters in the upcoming enactment-elections know how we feel about the
> relative merits of some voting-systems, including the one that they’re
> about to vote on the enactment of.
>
> The voting-method for the poll:
>
> It seems to me that Schulze is the most popular ranked voting-system,
> among the people at EM.
>
> …& it seems to me that the last time we voted on EM’s collective favorite
> voting-system, Approval won.
>
> Those seem the top-two, in EM popularity.
>
> I prefer RP(wv) to Beatpath, mostly for its simple, intuitively natural &
> obvious rule, but also for its LIIAC compliance, & the fact that its winner
> usually pairbeats Schulze’s winner.
>
> But I guess Schulze is more popular due to its more efficient algorithm.
>
> Anyway so I suggest that the poll I propose have a Schulze balloting &
> count, & an Approval balloting & count.
>
> Voting would consist of posting a ranking & an approval-set, in one post.
>
> Candidate voting-systems:
>
> My purpose isn’t an all-inclusive poll among all proposed voting-systems.
> …just a very few ones that are the most popular here at EM, solely to have
> a little comparison to the main voting system being publicly voted on this
> year.
>
> So it should just be among a few voting-systems. Additionally, no reason
> to make the alternatives-lineup too time-consumingly large by including
> methods unlikely to win anyway.
>
> I’ll suggest a few obvious inclusions. But, of course every poll here
> should have the possibility of nomination of whatever alternative anyone
> wants to nominate.
>
> I’ll list my nominations in this post, & I claim that those few are all
> the alternatives needed for the poll.  …& anyone can nominate anything
> during a 1-week nomination-period.
>
> I suggest the following voting-systems as candidates in the poll, the
> alternatives among which to vote:
>
> Approval
> RP(wv)
> Schulze
> IRV
>
> (Schulze & RP are often said to be the ranked-methods most popular among
> single-winner reform  community, & that seems true at EM.)
>
>
> Is there any need for more alternatives than that?
>
> I suggest a nomination period of exactly one week, starting at the time
> recorded as the posting-time-&-date of this post.
>
> After which a voting-period of exactly one month would start…at the exact
> time as the end of the nomination-period.
>
> If there are no nominations (I suggest that none are needed) during the
> nomination-period—& if, during the nomination-period, no one posts the
> words “I second the suggestion of a poll”—then of course there’d not be a
> poll.
>
> Again, I realize that polls are no longer popular here, but this is a
> special situation, bringing a need for voters in the upcoming public
> enactment-election to have a chance to hear how people at EM feel about
> relative merit among voting-systems. So let’s make an exception to the
> absence of polls here, for voters in the next election.
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