[EM] Real Democracy (1): Steve 1st dialogue with Stephane Rouillon

steve bosworth stevebosworth at hotmail.com
Tue Jul 21 16:53:30 PDT 2015


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> 1. Real
Democracy (St?phane Rouillon)

> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 23:09:04 -0400
> From: St?phane
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Stephane Rouillon
>R: I do not know if you would find it real
democracy, but SPPA is what I 
> have to offer best...
> Dr

>>Steve (S):  I
have studied your very useful but brief
bullet-point-type-presentation of SPPA.  Thank you.  I hope you will
send me more details, partly in response to my following points and

Our aims and values
seem to be almost identical.  Therefore, if you have the time, I
would appreciate it if you would study my article ('Equal Voting
Sustained') to see whether or not Associational Proportional
Representation (APR) might not serve your aims even more completely
than your current version of SPPA.  I will send you (or anyone else)
this article separately upon request.

For example, with
regard to your list of SPPA's benefits,  APR would seem to compare as

	still needs only
	one visit to the polling station:  Yes.
	maintains the
	accountability link with elected members:  Yes.
	gathers sincere
	preferences:  Yes.
	allows ordering of
	the issues by the electorate:  APR allows this to some extent during
	its 'primary election' which determines which geographically or
	non-geographically defined voluntary organizations (e.g. political
	parties, interest groups) will be officially recognized as electoral
	'associations'.  At the same time, each citizen chooses through
	which one she will rank as few or as many candidates in the whole
	country as she might wish during the later general election.
	reduces the
	antagonism between candidates:  APR candidates would have every
	incentive both to be very clear and exact about her own scale of
	values and policy proposals, and to negotiate, even with opponents,
	any compromises necessary, to achieve agreements  (e.g. to help form
	a majority coalition) to legislate at least some of her policy
	vanishes vote
	splitting issues:  APR give no incentive (or possibility) to split
	raises the
	individual approbation rate of elected members:  Each APR rep will
	have a 'weighted vote' in the legislative assembly exactly equal to
	the number of citizens who have helped her to be elected – no vote
	is wasted and continues into the assembly.
	treats all
	candidates equally (independents included)!  Completely!  For
	example, 'independents' could either form an 'association' by
	themselves, or seek to represent any association's agenda that any
	of them  might favor.
	eliminates the
	democratic deficit:  Completely!
	treats all
	political parties equally (no quota):  Completely!
	gives to every
	voter the same weight:  Completely!
	elects party-line
	builder:  Yes, if this refers to the building and sustaining of a
	working  majority coalition (and also its government in a
	parliamentary system).
	guarantees stable
	coalitions of two parties:  see previous response.
	guarantees twice
	the number of MPs in the worst case:  No, APR guarantees only the
	exact proportional election of the pre-established number of MPs.
	learning [about] a small number of candidates to vote [for]:  If she
	wishes, APR allows a citizen to vote for only one candidate in the
	country.  Alternatively, she can rank as few or as many candidates
	in the whole country as she might wish.
	reduces strategic
	nominations:  Completely!
	hinders bribing
	electorate [for]support:  as much as possible.
	avoids regional
	confrontation:  APR provides alternatives to regional conflicts yet
	would allow any such conflicts to be represented, i.e. exactly in
	proportion to the number of citizens who care most about them.
	gerrymandering:  Completely!

To facilitate any of
our future discussions, it  might sometime be helpful if I could 'cut
and paste' some of your words (like the above) to comment upon them. 
Thus, might it be possible for you separately to email me your
relevant SPPA works in a suitable [?Word?] format so that I could do

I look forward to your


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