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<BR><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">> From:
election-methods-request@lists.electorama.com<br>> Subject:
Election-Methods Digest, Vol 133, Issue 17<br>> To:
election-methods@lists.electorama.com<br>> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015
12:01:59 -0700<br>> …..........................<br>> 1. Real
Democracy (St?phane Rouillon)<br>> <br>> <br>>
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<br>> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 23:09:04 -0400<br>> From: St?phane
Rouillon <stephane.rouillon@sympatico.ca><br>> To:
<a href="mailto:election-methods@lists.electorama.com">election-methods@lists.electorama.com</a><br></p><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">> Subject: [EM] Real
Democracy (1):  Steve 1st dialogue with Stephane Rouillon</p><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><br>> Message-ID:
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<BR><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">Stephane Rouillon
wrote:<br>> <br>>R: I do not know if you would find it real
democracy, but SPPA is what I <br>> have to offer best...<br>>
http://citation.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/1/9/9/3/9/p199397_index.html<br>>
http://votebook.ca/pdf/SPPAforMPSA13042007.pdf<br>> <br>> Dr
Rouillon.<br>> 
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<BR><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">>>Steve (S):  I
have studied your very useful but brief
bullet-point-type-presentation of SPPA.  Thank you.  I hope you will
send me more details, partly in response to my following points and
suggestions.</p>
<BR><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">Our aims and values
seem to be almost identical.  Therefore, if you have the time, I
would appreciate it if you would study my article ('Equal Voting
Sustained') to see whether or not Associational Proportional
Representation (APR) might not serve your aims even more completely
than your current version of SPPA.  I will send you (or anyone else)
this article separately upon request.</p>
<BR><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">For example, with
regard to your list of SPPA's benefits,  APR would seem to compare as
follows:</p>

<BR><ul>
        <li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">still needs only
        one visit to the polling station:  Yes.</p>
        <li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">maintains the
        accountability link with elected members:  Yes.</p>
        <li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">gathers sincere
        preferences:  Yes.</p>
        <li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">allows ordering of
        the issues by the electorate:  APR allows this to some extent during
        its 'primary election' which determines which geographically or
        non-geographically defined voluntary organizations (e.g. political
        parties, interest groups) will be officially recognized as electoral
        'associations'.  At the same time, each citizen chooses through
        which one she will rank as few or as many candidates in the whole
        country as she might wish during the later general election.</p>
        <li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">reduces the
        antagonism between candidates:  APR candidates would have every
        incentive both to be very clear and exact about her own scale of
        values and policy proposals, and to negotiate, even with opponents,
        any compromises necessary, to achieve agreements  (e.g. to help form
        a majority coalition) to legislate at least some of her policy
        goals.</p>
        <li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">vanishes vote
        splitting issues:  APR give no incentive (or possibility) to split
        votes.</p>
        <li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">raises the
        individual approbation rate of elected members:  Each APR rep will
        have a 'weighted vote' in the legislative assembly exactly equal to
        the number of citizens who have helped her to be elected – no vote
        is wasted and continues into the assembly.</p>
        <li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">treats all
        candidates equally (independents included)!  Completely!  For
        example, 'independents' could either form an 'association' by
        themselves, or seek to represent any association's agenda that any
        of them  might favor.</p>
        <li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">eliminates the
        democratic deficit:  Completely!</p>
        <li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">treats all
        political parties equally (no quota):  Completely!</p>
        <li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">gives to every
        voter the same weight:  Completely!</p>
        <li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">elects party-line
        builder:  Yes, if this refers to the building and sustaining of a
        working  majority coalition (and also its government in a
        parliamentary system).</p>
        <li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">guarantees stable
        coalitions of two parties:  see previous response.</p>
        <li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">guarantees twice
        the number of MPs in the worst case:  No, APR guarantees only the
        exact proportional election of the pre-established number of MPs.</p>
        <li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">preserves 
        learning [about] a small number of candidates to vote [for]:  If she
        wishes, APR allows a citizen to vote for only one candidate in the
        country.  Alternatively, she can rank as few or as many candidates
        in the whole country as she might wish.</p>
        <li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">reduces strategic
        nominations:  Completely!</p>
        <li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">hinders bribing
        electorate [for]support:  as much as possible.</p>
        <li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">avoids regional
        confrontation:  APR provides alternatives to regional conflicts yet
        would allow any such conflicts to be represented, i.e. exactly in
        proportion to the number of citizens who care most about them.</p>
        <li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">eliminates
        gerrymandering:  Completely!</p>
</li></ul>
<br>
To facilitate any of
our future discussions, it  might sometime be helpful if I could 'cut
and paste' some of your words (like the above) to comment upon them. 
Thus, might it be possible for you separately to email me your
relevant SPPA works in a suitable [?Word?] format so that I could do
this?<BR>

<BR><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">I look forward to your
feedback.</p>
<BR><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><br>
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<BR><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">Steve</p>
<BR><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><br>
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