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<BR><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">> From:
election-methods-request@lists.electorama.com<br>> Subject:
Election-Methods Digest, Vol 133, Issue 17<br>> To:
election-methods@lists.electorama.com<br>> Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2015
12:01:59 -0700<br>> …..........................<br>> 1. Real
Democracy (St?phane Rouillon)<br>> <br>> <br>>
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<br>> Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2015 23:09:04 -0400<br>> From: St?phane
Rouillon <stephane.rouillon@sympatico.ca><br>> To:
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<BR><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">Stephane Rouillon
wrote:<br>> <br>>R: I do not know if you would find it real
democracy, but SPPA is what I <br>> have to offer best...<br>>
http://citation.allacademic.com/meta/p_mla_apa_research_citation/1/9/9/3/9/p199397_index.html<br>>
http://votebook.ca/pdf/SPPAforMPSA13042007.pdf<br>> <br>> Dr
Rouillon.<br>>
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<BR><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">>>Steve (S): I
have studied your very useful but brief
bullet-point-type-presentation of SPPA. Thank you. I hope you will
send me more details, partly in response to my following points and
suggestions.</p>
<BR><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">Our aims and values
seem to be almost identical. Therefore, if you have the time, I
would appreciate it if you would study my article ('Equal Voting
Sustained') to see whether or not Associational Proportional
Representation (APR) might not serve your aims even more completely
than your current version of SPPA. I will send you (or anyone else)
this article separately upon request.</p>
<BR><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">For example, with
regard to your list of SPPA's benefits, APR would seem to compare as
follows:</p>
<BR><ul>
<li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">still needs only
one visit to the polling station: Yes.</p>
<li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">maintains the
accountability link with elected members: Yes.</p>
<li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">gathers sincere
preferences: Yes.</p>
<li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">allows ordering of
the issues by the electorate: APR allows this to some extent during
its 'primary election' which determines which geographically or
non-geographically defined voluntary organizations (e.g. political
parties, interest groups) will be officially recognized as electoral
'associations'. At the same time, each citizen chooses through
which one she will rank as few or as many candidates in the whole
country as she might wish during the later general election.</p>
<li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">reduces the
antagonism between candidates: APR candidates would have every
incentive both to be very clear and exact about her own scale of
values and policy proposals, and to negotiate, even with opponents,
any compromises necessary, to achieve agreements (e.g. to help form
a majority coalition) to legislate at least some of her policy
goals.</p>
<li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">vanishes vote
splitting issues: APR give no incentive (or possibility) to split
votes.</p>
<li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">raises the
individual approbation rate of elected members: Each APR rep will
have a 'weighted vote' in the legislative assembly exactly equal to
the number of citizens who have helped her to be elected – no vote
is wasted and continues into the assembly.</p>
<li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">treats all
candidates equally (independents included)! Completely! For
example, 'independents' could either form an 'association' by
themselves, or seek to represent any association's agenda that any
of them might favor.</p>
<li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">eliminates the
democratic deficit: Completely!</p>
<li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">treats all
political parties equally (no quota): Completely!</p>
<li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">gives to every
voter the same weight: Completely!</p>
<li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">elects party-line
builder: Yes, if this refers to the building and sustaining of a
working majority coalition (and also its government in a
parliamentary system).</p>
<li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">guarantees stable
coalitions of two parties: see previous response.</p>
<li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">guarantees twice
the number of MPs in the worst case: No, APR guarantees only the
exact proportional election of the pre-established number of MPs.</p>
<li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">preserves
learning [about] a small number of candidates to vote [for]: If she
wishes, APR allows a citizen to vote for only one candidate in the
country. Alternatively, she can rank as few or as many candidates
in the whole country as she might wish.</p>
<li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">reduces strategic
nominations: Completely!</p>
<li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">hinders bribing
electorate [for]support: as much as possible.</p>
<li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">avoids regional
confrontation: APR provides alternatives to regional conflicts yet
would allow any such conflicts to be represented, i.e. exactly in
proportion to the number of citizens who care most about them.</p>
<li><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">eliminates
gerrymandering: Completely!</p>
</li></ul>
<br>
To facilitate any of
our future discussions, it might sometime be helpful if I could 'cut
and paste' some of your words (like the above) to comment upon them.
Thus, might it be possible for you separately to email me your
relevant SPPA works in a suitable [?Word?] format so that I could do
this?<BR>
<BR><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">I look forward to your
feedback.</p>
<BR><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;"><br>
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<BR><p class="western" style="margin-bottom: 0in;">Steve</p>
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