[EM] National Popular Vote & Condorcet

[Bob Richard]

Paul Kislanko wrote:

> ... avoids the whole strategy discussion. If I'm asked to fill out
> a ranked ballot without knowing how it will be counted, I can't 
> "strategically" vote "insincerely."

I would say that I can't vote at all and would probably boycott the election.

> It's more a technique for formalizing analysis, not a recommendation.

Yes.

--Bob Richard

Paul Kislanko wrote:
> Yes, as usual I wasn't very clear. The way that SHOULD have been worded is:
>
> One can use plurality to count any kind of ranked ballots, but only
> plurality to count plurality ballots.
>
> One can use approval to count any kind of ranked ballots that allow equal
> rankings, but only approval to count approval ballots. 
>
> My point being that if we used the most general kind of ballot, the
> COLLECTION process is independent of the COUNTING method. Which, in a way
> avoids the whole strategy discussion. If I'm asked to fill out a ranked
> ballot without knowing how it will be counted, I can't "strategically" vote
> "insincerely."
>
> It's more a technique for formalizing analysis, not a recommendation.  
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jonathan Lundell [mailto:jlundell at pobox.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 01, 2009 9:23 AM
> To: Paul Kislanko
> Cc: 'Dave Ketchum'; 'EM'
> Subject: Re: [EM] National Popular Vote & Condorcet
>
> On Jun 30, 2009, at 10:44 PM, Paul Kislanko wrote:
>
>   
>> One can infer a plurality ballot from any kind of ranked ballot, but  
>> not the
>> other way around.
>>
>> One can infer an approval ballot from any kind of ranked ballot that  
>> allows
>> equal ranks, but not the other way around.
>>     
>
> Except for strategic considerations. There are surely many cases in  
> which my plurality vote is not the same as my first-ranked vote under,  
> say, IRV or a Condorcet method.
>
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Bob Richard
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