[EM] The structuring of power and the composition of norms by communicative assent
juho4880 at yahoo.co.uk
Sun Jan 25 00:44:15 PST 2009
--- On Fri, 23/1/09, Michael Allan <mike at zelea.com> wrote:
> > I think current systems rely on
> > private voting and public discussion
> > (although different than the proxy
> > based discussion). It may be possible
> > to enrich this with better mutual
> > discussion / delegable voting rights
> > without sacrificing secret votes /
> > privacy.
> Yes, it might be *possible*, but I think it would be
> difficult in
> practice (and not ideal in principle) to do so within a
> voting system. The most rational design is separate,
> special purpose
> systems (primary and general) that work together.
I was thinking about public formal
elections (e.g. parliamentary). They
nowadays generally use secret votes.
Doing that same at the very bottom
level of a proxy system would not be
> > I don't see the need of a
> > representative / proxy to know who
> > her voters exactly are to be crucial.
> > In some aspect it is better that she
> > doesn't know (no vote buying,
> > services to those that voted, no hard
> > feelings against those that this time
> > voted someone else etc.).
> > The (secret) voters on the other hand
> > will get more power when they can let
> > several representatives / proxies
> > understand that they got or may get
> > the vote :-).
> All of this is easier, more natural, if agreement (voter
> candidate/delegate) is *actually* expressed. Then it's
> more human.
> We weren't *built* to deal with the strange paradox of
> expression (collective mass opinion). There's no
> natural correlate
> for it.
Secret votes could also be seen as an
invention of the human race that relieves
some problems that they have (coercion,
vote buying, fear of revealing too much
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