[EM] New MN court affidavits by those defending non-Monotonic voting methods & IRV/STV

[Dave Ketchum]

I have been against IRV's way of 'counting' ballots since the first time I 
heard of such, long before IRV or EM were born.

So, if the ammunition I supplied has an effect I will be delighted, and 
have nothing against others' similar efforts.

DWK

On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 21:40:41 -0800 (PST) Chris Benham wrote:
> Dave,
> Are you really comfortable supporting and supplying ammunition to a
> group of avowed FPP supporters in their effort to have IRV declared
> unconstitutional?
> 
> Will have any complaint when in future they are trying to do the same
> thing to some Condorcet method you like and IRV supporters help
> them on grounds like it fails Later-no-Harm, Later-no-Help, and
> probably  mono-add-top?
>  
> Chris Benham
> 
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> Dave Ketchum wrote (Fri.Nov.7):
> Perhaps this could get some useful muscle by adding such as:
>       9 B>A
> 
> Now we have 34 voting B>A.  Enough that they can expect to win and may have
> as strong a preference between these two as might happen anywhere.
> 
> C and D represent issues many feel strongly about - and can want to assert
> to encourage action by B, the expected winner.  If ONE voter had voted B>A
> rather than D>B>A, IRV would have declared B the winner.
> 
> Note that Condorcet would have declared B the winner any time the B>A count
> exceeded the A>B count (unless C or D got many more votes).
> 
> DWK
> 
> On Fri, 7 Nov 2008 14:05:03 -0700 Kathy Dopp wrote:
>  > Dave,
>  >
>  > I agree with you -that is important too, but the attorneys and
>  > judge(s) have their own criteria for judging importance as compared to
>  > existing laws.
>  >
>  > Your example IMO does show unequal treatment of voters, so perhaps
>  > I'll include it as one of many ways to show how IRV unequally treats
>  > voters and see if the attorneys use it or not.
>  >
>  > Thanks.
>  >
>  > Kathy
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