[EM] The new poll

MIKE OSSIPOFF nkklrp at hotmail.com
Mon May 24 00:46:09 PDT 2004


Brian Olson--

You wrote:

Latest web toy: a poll on Election Methods, Ballot Styles, Voting
Technology and Representation Systems.

http://bolson.org:8080/v/t?poll=em

As I am wont to do, it's a Rated ballot. :-)

I reply:

Why only ratings?

Of course rankings can be inferred from ratings. But with ratings, 
impossible to tell who is voting strategicallly, and who is voting 
sincerely. And in CR, it can make an important difference, with strategic 
voters cheating sincere voters.

We all apparently voted sincerely in Februrary's EM presidential poll, but 
there's no guarantee of that in subsequent polls, especially one on voting 
systems. Approval balloting should be conducted too, because it offers less 
scope for strategizers to cheat sincere voters.

Eric or Steve or Mr. Myers, could you set up a ranked poll on your website 
for Brian's poll?

If Eric or Steve or Mr. Myer does that, then I suggest that people voting in 
Brian's poll vote rankings at whichever of those Condorcet-count websites 
has set up the poll.

And I suggest that voters in Brian's poll post Approval ballots to EM, among 
the alternatives in Brian's poll.

In fact, in addition to voting rankings at an interactive Condorcet-count 
website, why not additionallyk post your rankings to EM.

I'm sure that the poll is a good thing. I agree with those who say that 
there's no substitute for actual experience in using the voting systems that 
we discuss, that we can find out things about them by using them that we 
wouldn't find out by only discussing them.

But voting systems is a controversial topic here. Don't count on everyone 
rating sincerely in a poll on voting systems. So let's include Condorcet 
rankings and Approval ballots, as I've suggested here.
Of course I'd rate sincerely, but you won't know if anyone other than you is 
rating sincerely.

Mike Ossipoff

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