[EM] Who did you say won?

Mon Mar 3 13:21:56 PST 2003

Hrm.

I studied this particular issue.

Some people from Harvard applied Bayesian Ecological Inferences to the
absentee ballots.

They report the fact that, according to the Office of the Florida Secretary
of State, ON ELECTION DAY, Gore was ahead by 202 votes.
So, at the moment it was called for Bush, Gore was ahead.

One note on those ballots, as related in the New York Times "longest story
ever" (in column inches)
The Republicans were using opposite arguments in different counties. In GOP
strongholds they were arguing absentee ballots must be counted, in Gore
strongholds, that they must be thrown away.  This is in the court
transcripts.
By the way, if examined at the State level, or in any pair of courts,
really, that practice is illegal, in the sense that the whole line must be
dismissed. (See New Hampshire and Maine fighting over the river between
them, a change in the "how much is mine" by New Hampshire was totally
ignored, because they had earlier claimed a different portion).
I am not a laywer.

However, there is lots more.

Bush and Harris slashed the voter aide funds by half, gave RICH districts
laptops in order to deal with voted problems.
They gave poor districts BUSY PHONE NUMBERS.

How's that for a big FUCK YOU???

Or how about this peice of total horseshit?  In Texas they had a hand
recount, but that's not good enough for Florida?

Howabout the _fact_ that the law in Florida was "intent of the voter" NOT
"intent of the voter  IF it can be ascertained via a machine."

The facts are, if they had recounted the whole state, or the THOUSANDS of
jewish gore voters in palm beach county were counted as they INTENDED to
vote (the law in Florida, and there are plenty of overvotes to statistically
_prove_ it happened) it was NO CONTEST.

BUSH IS A SHIT EATING MONKEY

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bart Ingles [mailto:bartman at netgate.net] 
> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 2:29 AM
> To: election-methods-list at eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: [EM] Who did you say won?
> 
> 
> 
> I've seen most of these assertions before, but I would hardly say that
> they constitute "proof".  For one thing all of these sites share a
> similar political viewpoint-- for balance you might as well 
> link to some
> far right-wing sites to get the other side of the story.  For 
> another, I
> don't know how you'd go about verifying most of these claims. 
>  Although
> Palast does seem to go out of his way to point out that some 
> of his work
> was carried by the BBC, which I had always considered to be a 
> member of
> the "mass media".
> 
> One of Palast's statements seems particularly implausible: "...on the
> Florida ballots voter race is listed."  I have never heard of
> identifying information, let alone race, being listed on a modern U.S.
> ballot.  Are there any Florida voters here who can confirm 
> this?  If so,
> there's a good place to start reforming.
> 
> At any rate, all of this emotion over an essentially tied 
> election seems
> like a waste to me.  Election fraud, the electoral college, campaign
> finance reform-- none of these can have much effect unless 
> the election
> is close to begin with.  If there is a "rightful winner" 
> other than the
> declared one, then as far as I'm concerned it should be the unknowable
> candidate who was excluded due to Duverger's Law and and our plurality
> system.
> 
> Bart
> 
> 
> > Tom McIntyre wrote:
> > 
> > Eric Gorr wrote:
> > 
> > > At 6:21 AM +0000 2/24/03, MIKE OSSIPOFF wrote:
> > >
> > >> Is that what the mass media said?
> > >>
> > >
> > > I am not aware of any independent study which claims that 
> Gore would
> > > have won regardless of what the Supreme Court did.
> > >
> > Here's an article telling how the same study that showed that "The
> > Supreme Court's intervention probably did not affect the outcome of
> > the limited recounts then under way", also showed that "more people
> > probably cast valid votes for Gore than for Bush".  It goes 
> on to say
> > why you didn't hear about that latter part.
> > 
> > http://www.commondreams.org/views01/1115-02.htm
> > 
> > Of course, Gore would have won without recounts had it not 
> been for a
> > deliberate effort by Jeb Bush, Katherine Harris, and Republican
> > lawmakers to illegally purge tens of thousands of Democrats from the
> > Florida voting rolls.  A list of Greg Palast articles 
> providing proof
> > of the illegal purging:
> > 
> > 
> http://www.gregpalast.com/columns.cfm?subject_id=1&subject_nam
e=Theft%20of%20Presidency
> 
> This one sums it up pretty well:
> 
> http://www.gregpalast.com/detail.cfm?artid=177&row=1
> 
> An article that sums up other ways voters were disenfranchised in
> Florida:
> 
>
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Political_Corruption/How_GOP_Gamed_Florida
.html
> 
> And this article hints (but doesn't actually claim) that computerized
> voting machines programmed with a Republican slant may have been in
> use in this Florida election:
> 
> http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0131-01.htm

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