[EM] Re: Use a "turkey" filter
anthony_duff at yahoo.com.au
Wed Jul 2 19:18:03 PDT 2003
--- Chris Benham <chrisbenham at bigpond.com> wrote: >
In Australia in Federal and most State elections
> there is a ridiculous
> and indefensible requirement for voters to put a
> number in every box.
> Most voters (certainly nearly all those with no
> clear, sincere second
> and lower preferences) just fill out their ballots
> as their favourite
> party advises them.
I dont know the reasoning for the ballot to be
compulsory fully ranked.
For an optional ranked ballot, look at NSW.
>so you can be sure that if the
> method used was
> Condorcet (especially with truncation allowed) they
> would not be
> advising voters to elect so-called "turkeys"
How can you be so sure? Is the following hypothetical
In a highly polarised campaign, a strong candidate
emphasizes the negatives of the incumbent and repeats
the catchy message "Put [the incumbent] last". The
incumbent replies with similar negativity, "[the
challenger] is dangerous, put him last"
If two large minorities put each others favourite
last then it becomes very likely that a minor
candidate will be a CW. And seeing as the campaign
was so polarised, that minor candidate may have been
subjected to very little scrutiny.
> I can see no reason in principle why a CW with no
> first preference
> votes is necessarily in any way illegitimate (or a
Me neither. But does it hurt to be a little
pragmatic? Apparently, IRVists can exploit the turkey
issue to criticize condorcet/approval. Substantial
nomination requirements defeat the turkey argument.
Would substantial nomination requirements do actual
> Maybe with
> Condorcet, candidates should have to achieve some
> minimum Borda score
> to get their cash deposit back.
A financial barrier to running is inequitable as it is
less of a burden on the rich. To run for public
office, shouldnt popular support be more important
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