[EM] CPR's Steve Chessin lost goose in Australia. QE s'ware & Mike

[Craig Carey]

From: MIKE OSSIPOFF
Subject: [EM] Calling Craig Layton & Tom Round

So unsatisfactory has the quality of the messages that the 2 no longer
write. Not so many would stay what Lanphier allowed to happen last year:
through chat we shall all learn. The EM diver bomber seems to have
slowed.

Date: Mon, 08 Apr 2002 21:43:12 -0700
 >
 >--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
 >
 >
 >Craig Layton & Tom Round: Are you still on EM? We need for you
 >to verify something that you said. Apparently someone doesn't believe
 >that 2 Australians have said that it's common for voters not of the
 >big-2 parties to bury their favorite by voting for one of the big
 >2 in 1st choice position on their ranking.
 >
 >Steve Chessin is an IRV promoter in the U.S. The U.S. IRV promoters
 >have been repeatedly bragging about IRV's track record in Australia.
 >When I told Chessin about the favorite-burying strategy in Australia's
 >IRV elections, Chessin said he wanted to hear it from the people
 >I heard it from.
 >

Mr Ossipoff sent a DUD to Mr Steve Chessin, and the example below
shows that. We can learn from that.

Mr Chessin recognized that topic to be genuine and important, which
is a mistake.


No research inside of Australia will show that the "burying" test of
Mike is wrong.


                Chessin said he wanted to hear it
                from the people I heard it from.

Mr Donald Davison never corrected Mike Ossipoff over this too.

I shan't mention Rob Richie or the CVD since the topic is now exactly
around the Alternative Vote, and what makes it, ideal, bad, and etc.



Here is the counter example. It inside a CVD list.

I call the topic, "vote wastage", and it is imaginary wastage occurring
inside of a single paper, and all provided the method passes a
"one man one vote" test (otherwise votes could be created as well as
being lost).


 >At 2000\12\25 06:37 +1300 Monday, Craig Carey wrote to
 >instantrunoff-freewheeling:
 >...
 >>Here is (6.2): ((AB)->(B), Cw->Bw: Allowed but vote wastage):
 >>
                   (AB)<-->(B)
 >>    (6.2):    -------------
 >>               AB   2    1
 >>               B    0    1
 >>               BC   1    1
 >>               CB   2    2
 >>              -------------
 >>           AV:      C    B    :   (AB {C+)-(B+ )
 >>         IFPP:      C    B    :   (AB {C+)-(B+ )
     pref-Approval:    B    B
            FPTP:     A|C  B|C
 >>
 >>        Total =  5.   Quota = 1.6666..
 >>
 >...
 >
 >
*>IFPP is partly derived here: http://www.ijs.co.nz/quota-13.htm ]
 >
Revised this year: Principles of IFPP here:  http://www.ijs.co.nz/ifpp.htm
P4 is unsatisfactory.

Tests should be tested. Is there any person here that doubts that??.

Where did that test come from, Mr Ossipoff ?.

In the assembling of the pieces of the IRV fireball picture, Mike is
thinking of using personal as a way to decide if the picture is part
of the fireball that results in the deaths of mayors and millions of
supporters since it picks 'wrong' winners.

The IRV camp seems to be content to agree that IRV picks the wrong
winners, but the comments from them seem ignorant.


 >So would you please reply to this with an EM posting, which I'll
 >forward to Chessin by e-mail? Replying via EM seems preferable, but
...
 >
 >Here's a postal address for Chessin:
 >
 >Californians for Proportional Representation
 >PO Box 128
 >Sacramento, CA 95812
 >

Here is a webpage confirming the address,
and saying that Steve Chessin is the president of the
Californians for Proportional Representation group:

        CPR Officers and other key contacts:

        http://www.fairvoteca.org/aboutus/officers.htm


Here is another message on the calling to service of the CVD
paratrooper elites, unit CA:

------------------------------------------------------------
 >Message 756
 >From:  Dave Robinson <dbr at d...>
 >Date:  Thu Apr 4, 2002  9:19 pm
 >Subject:  CPR may embrace IRV
 >
 >CPR is considering a change to both its name and mission statement so
 >that it officially encompasses both PR and IRV. If you join now, you
 >will be able to contribute to this process - your help would be
 >appreciated!
...
 >-Dave
 >Cal IRV co-chair and CPR board member
------------------------------------------------------------



I checked over the CPR website and it is not going to name itself

        "IRV First IRV is US"

or similar. Maybe Dave was getting ahead of events in saying that
Chessin is down under the plots of the CVD war room illuminated with
the glamour of bold campaigns (prestige of being with IRV just can't
be matched):


                Chessin said he wanted to hear it
                from the people I heard it from.


I resubscribed again. I can't stay long since Mike is posting in too
many wrong ideas that insusceptible to the maipulations of logical
reasoning.


Craig Carey

Four candidate STV-like preferential voting methods:
  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/politicians-and-polytopes