[EM] POLL: New deadline: 2024-05-16 05:15:00 UTC

[Closed Limelike Curves]

rb-j: does strategy play into this? If there's a method that's
Condorcet-consistent under sincere voting, but will frequently elect the
Condorcet loser in the presence of strategic voting, is that a good method?

On Sun, May 12, 2024 at 7:05 PM robert bristow-johnson <
rbj at audioimagination.com> wrote:

>
> >Though speaking of: you left out some (non-Condorcet) methods on your ballot.
> Do you want them ranked last, or somewhere else?
>
> Just like in other elections I refuse to weigh in on candidates I don't
> know about.  And on a ranked ballot they would likely be unranked unless
> Hitler or Satan or Donald Trump was on the ballot, and then I would have to
> rank these unfamiliar candidates higher.
>
> > Approval plus manual runoff, MJ, RCIPE, and Double Defeat Hare
>
> S orry.  No nothing from me.  You guys know I'm pretty simplistic.  My
> principles:
>
> 1. Equally-valued votes. One-Person-One-Vote.  Equality under the law.
> That means Majority Rule. (If any minority gets to rule, that means their
> votes counted more, per vote, than then individual votes from voters in the
> majority that doesn't rule. That has to be considered a "Bad Thing".)
>
> (1a. Process transparency.  That means not giving up having Precinct
> Summability.)
>
> 2. That means if more voters mark their ballots preferring Candidate A to
> Candidate B than the number of voters marking their ballots to the c
> ontrary, then Candidate B is not elected.  If we can, at all, avoid it.
> That means Condorcet.
>
> 3. Which Condorcet-consistent method to pick is whatever best finds its
> way to legislation.  That means the method, spelled out in words, needs to
> be meaningful and concise and reflect principles widely accepted by the
> public and legislators.
>
> So my fav is straight-ahead Condorcet with Plurality as the contingency
> method.  N^2 summable.  Maybe it should be Condorcet-TTR (top-two-runoff)
> to give the Hare IRV advocates a fig leaf to cover their shame with.  Also
> N^2 summable.  I dunno.
>
> ------ O riginal message------
> *From: *Kristofer Munsterhjelm
> *Date: *Sun, May 12, 2024 17:42
> *To: *robert bristow-johnson;election-methods at lists.electorama.com;
> *Cc: *
> *Subject:*Re: [EM] POLL: New deadline: 2024-05-16 05:15:00 UTC
>
> On 2024-05-12 18:24, robert bristow-johnson wrote:
> >
> >
> > We need not resubmit our vote, right?
>
> The last ballot you submitted is what counts, so you don't need to
> resubmit unless you want to make a change to it.
>
> Though speaking of: you left out some (non-Condorcet) methods on your
> ballot. Do you want them ranked last, or somewhere else? The methods are
> Approval plus manual runoff, MJ, RCIPE, and Double Defeat Hare.
>
> > I haven't seen posted here more than a couple other ballots.  How many
> > have voted?
>
> By my count, in reverse order of submission, there's:
>
> Richard Fobes ("Poll, final ballot from Richard Fobes, the VoteFair guy")
> You ("POLL: Approaching deadline: 2024-05-11 05:15:00 UTC")
> Me ("Poll ballot")
> fdpk69p6uq ("POLL: References (was: Re: Poll, preliminary ballots)")
> Joshua Boehme ("My Preliminary Ballot for the Voting Systems Poll")
> Chris Benham ("Poll ballot revision, Wednesday 24 April")
> Mike Ossipoff ("Revised ballot, Wednesday, April 17th")
>
> > I also am skeptical about the usefulness of the results (I presume a
> > pairwise preference matrix and approval tallies) but will be interested
> > anyway.
>
> All the more reason for lurkers out there - or frequent posters for that
> matter - to vote :-)
>
> -km
>
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