[EM] Poll-proposal: Presidential (ranks). STV (3 seats). Party-PR (500 seats)

[Michael Ossipoff]

Nominations recorded.

On Mon, Jul 15, 2024 at 14:26 Chris Benham <cbenhamau at yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> I nominate two more candidates for the presidential poll:
>
> Claudia De La Cruz  (Party for Socialism and Liberation)
>
> Peter Sonski    (American Solidarity Party)
>
> And a candidate for the party-PR election:
>
> African People's Socialist Party
>
> Chris B.
> On 15/07/2024 1:19 pm, Michael Ossipoff wrote:
>
> I omitted the Republican Party. Obviously that’s one that could be
> voted-for.
>
> On Sun, Jul 14, 2024 at 20:37 Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> There was interest in a poll about PR. But I feel that first the PR
>> methods should be tried, used,  in a poll with the actual candidates &
>> parties.
>>
>> As I mentioned before, there’s no substitute for the experience of
>> actually using the electoral methods in polls. You don’t know the methods
>> until you use them.
>>
>> So I propose a 3-part poll.  …presidential & PR:
>>
>> 1.  A Condorcet presidential-poll with 7 candidates + the approval-line.
>> As others have mentioned, of course it could be counted by any rank-count
>> that allows equal-ranking. But of course RP(wv) won here as the most
>> collectively popular, & so its winner should be reported.
>>
>> The approval-line of course would allow counting by methods that use
>> explicit-approval.
>>
>> …in addition to by the zero-cost implementation method.
>>
>> 2. A 3-seat STV poll among the same set of candidates as in the
>> presidential-poll.
>>
>> …as if we were electing a 3-person presidential triumvirate, or seats in
>> some 3-member district in which those candidates are running.
>>
>> Of course the STV rankings could be counted by any STV version, & integer
>> STV is (in some ways) an easier count. But fractional STV is the
>> unarbitrary STV that doesn’t require a rule or randomizing-process for the
>> order in which ballots transfer.
>>
>> Of course, because the STV doesn’t allow equal-rankin, then its ballots
>> also could & would also be counted for an RCV count.
>>
>> Of course if someone wanted to vote different rankings for STV & RCV,
>> then they could write both & indicate which is which.
>>
>> 3. A 500-seat at-large party-PR allocation election. Of course voters
>> vote for their favorite party, & seats are allocate to the parties in
>> proportion to their votes.
>>
>> Reported will be: allocations by:
>>
>> Sainte-Lague, Bias-Free (Ossipoff-Agnew), d’Hondt, Largest-Remainder, &
>> Huntington-Hill (“Equal-Proportions”).
>>
>> SL & BF probably won’t differ from eachother.
>>
>> ————-
>>
>> For the party-PR SL & BF allocation of 500 seats, the requirement for a
>> party being seated 🪑 is about 1/7 of one percent of the vote.
>>
>> For the 3-seat STV allocation, the requirement is being over 1/4 of the
>> vote.
>>
>> ————-
>>
>> SL, in actual implementations, requires .7 quotas for a party’s 1st seat.
>> That’s to thwart, prevent & discourage splitting-strategy, which could
>> otherwise sometimes be advantageous if the conditions were detected.
>>
>> Because BF & SL give often the same allocation, then BF should have that
>> same requirement.
>>
>> That’s taken into account for the abovestated requirement for a party to
>> be seated.
>>
>> —————-
>>
>> Candidates for presidential & STV elections:
>>
>> (These listings are alphabetical.)
>>
>> Joe Biden
>> RFK Jr.
>> Chase Oliver
>> Jill Stein
>> Donald Trump
>> Cornell West
>> Marianne Williamson
>> approval-line———————
>> ———————
>> Parties for party-PR election:
>>
>> American Independent
>> American Solidarity
>> Constitution
>> Democrat
>> Green
>> Libertarian
>> Peace & Freedom
>> Working Family
>> —————
>> Of course if this poll is going to happen, then additional nominations
>> should be allowed. But we probably don’t need a week or two for that.
>> Surely any additional nominations would be made within 2 days. So let’s
>> say that the period for optional additional nominations ends exactly 48
>> hours after this message posts.
>>
>> …& that the voting period begins at that same moment.
>>
>> We don’t need a month for the voting-period, do we? Shall we say 1 week
>> if there’s no electioneering, & 2 weeks if there’s electioneering?
>>
>> Anyone can change any of their ballots during the voting period.
>> ————
>> Of course if this poll happens, & if no one else volunteers to take the
>> responsibility of recording the ballots, then I’ll do so.  …then of course
>> will unblock the people I’ve blocked, for that purpose.
>> ————-
>> It goes without saying that anything about the details of this poll could
>> be objected-to, & then, if others support the objection, then discussion
>> would be called-for.
>>
>> It’s always best to avoid the delay caused by a procedural vote, & so
>> hopefully there will be a consensus agreement. …or at least it will be
>> informally-obvious which position is supported or acceptable to the most
>> people, based on opinions expressed.
>>
>> An RP(wv) vote would be a reluctant last-resort. Anyone could call for it
>> if consensus were adamantly refused & no position seemed to clearly have
>> more support or acceptance.
>>
>> Hopefully none of that will be necessary, but it’s good to have it
>> mentioned for contingency.
>> ————-
>> As the proposer of the poll, I should vote first, immediately at the
>> beginning of the voting-period. I don’t know if anyone will participate,
>> but, because there was participation in the previous poll, & because people
>> have suggested a PR poll, & because there’s no substitute for using the
>> electoral methods…then I’ll proceed on the assumption that there’s interest
>> & that there might be participation.
>>
>> If the poll doesn’t happen, it won’t be because I didn’t try to start it.
>>
>>
>>
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