[EM] Poll-proposal: Presidential (ranks). STV (3 seats). Party-PR (500 seats)

[Toby Pereira]

 It is worth noting that the method Ossipoff declares to be "bias free" is only so under a very specific set of assumptions.
Toby
    On Monday 15 July 2024 at 04:38:35 BST, Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 There was interest in a poll about PR. But I feel that first the PR methods should be tried, used,  in a poll with the actual candidates & parties.
As I mentioned before, there’s no substitute for the experience of actually using the electoral methods in polls. You don’t know the methods until you use them.
So I propose a 3-part poll.  …presidential & PR:

1.  A Condorcet presidential-poll with 7 candidates + the approval-line. As others have mentioned, of course it could be counted by any rank-count that allows equal-ranking. But of course RP(wv) won here as the most collectively popular, & so its winner should be reported.
The approval-line of course would allow counting by methods that use explicit-approval.
…in addition to by the zero-cost implementation method.
2. A 3-seat STV poll among the same set of candidates as in the presidential-poll.
…as if we were electing a 3-person presidential triumvirate, or seats in some 3-member district in which those candidates are running.
Of course the STV rankings could be counted by any STV version, & integer STV is (in some ways) an easier count. But fractional STV is the unarbitrary STV that doesn’t require a rule or randomizing-process for the order in which ballots transfer.
Of course, because the STV doesn’t allow equal-rankin, then its ballots also could & would also be counted for an RCV count.
Of course if someone wanted to vote different rankings for STV & RCV, then they could write both & indicate which is which.
3. A 500-seat at-large party-PR allocation election. Of course voters vote for their favorite party, & seats are allocate to the parties in proportion to their votes.
Reported will be: allocations by:
Sainte-Lague, Bias-Free (Ossipoff-Agnew), d’Hondt, Largest-Remainder, & Huntington-Hill (“Equal-Proportions”).
SL & BF probably won’t differ from eachother.
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For the party-PR SL & BF allocation of 500 seats, the requirement for a party being seated 🪑 is about 1/7 of one percent of the vote.
For the 3-seat STV allocation, the requirement is being over 1/4 of the vote.
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SL, in actual implementations, requires .7 quotas for a party’s 1st seat. That’s to thwart, prevent & discourage splitting-strategy, which could otherwise sometimes be advantageous if the conditions were detected.
Because BF & SL give often the same allocation, then BF should have that same requirement.
That’s taken into account for the abovestated requirement for a party to be seated.
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Candidates for presidential & STV elections:
(These listings are alphabetical.)
Joe BidenRFK Jr.Chase OliverJill SteinDonald TrumpCornell WestMarianne Williamson approval-line——————————————Parties for party-PR election:
American Independent American Solidarity Constitution DemocratGreenLibertarian Peace & FreedomWorking Family —————Of course if this poll is going to happen, then additional nominations should be allowed. But we probably don’t need a week or two for that.Surely any additional nominations would be made within 2 days. So let’s say that the period for optional additional nominations ends exactly 48 hours after this message posts.
…& that the voting period begins at that same moment.
We don’t need a month for the voting-period, do we? Shall we say 1 week if there’s no electioneering, & 2 weeks if there’s electioneering?
Anyone can change any of their ballots during the voting period.————Of course if this poll happens, & if no one else volunteers to take the responsibility of recording the ballots, then I’ll do so.  …then of course will unblock the people I’ve blocked, for that purpose.————-It goes without saying that anything about the details of this poll could be objected-to, & then, if others support the objection, then discussion would be called-for. 
It’s always best to avoid the delay caused by a procedural vote, & so hopefully there will be a consensus agreement. …or at least it will be informally-obvious which position is supported or acceptable to the most people, based on opinions expressed.
An RP(wv) vote would be a reluctant last-resort. Anyone could call for it if consensus were adamantly refused & no position seemed to clearly have more support or acceptance.
Hopefully none of that will be necessary, but it’s good to have it mentioned for contingency.————-As the proposer of the poll, I should vote first, immediately at the beginning of the voting-period. I don’t know if anyone will participate, but, because there was participation in the previous poll, & because people have suggested a PR poll, & because there’s no substitute for using the electoral methods…then I’ll proceed on the assumption that there’s interest & that there might be participation.
If the poll doesn’t happen, it won’t be because I didn’t try to start it.

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