[EM] Reply to an IRVist post on December 17th

[Michael Garman]

Your problem here is that the electorate doesn’t agree with your
preferences, not that the system is broken.


On Mon, Feb 5, 2024 at 2:50 AM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Greg—
>
> In my example, I said that first Good gets eliminated, & then Best gets
> eliminated.
>
> So all that remains is Worst.
>
> I made a typo in my post. I meant to say that the Good-supporters either
> didn’t vote a 2nd choice, or else their 2nd-choice transfer was to  Worst.
>
> …but, when wrote that, I accidentally said “Best-supporters”, when I meant
> “Good-supporters”.
>
> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024 at 17:18 Greg Dennis <greg.dennis at voterchoicema.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hold on a second, if Good gets eliminated, there are only two candidates
>> (Best and Worst) remaining, and whichever of those two with the most votes
>> wins. That sample ballot counts for "Best" in the final round -- it is
>> never counted for "Worst."
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 4, 2024, 5:15 PM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I said:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> No, it [your ballot] doesn't[count for your 2nd choice] , unless your
>>> 2nd choice is still there. Oops !!! You &
>>>
>>> Richie forgot to include the word "Maybe"
>>>
>>> …
>>>
>>> Michael Garman said:
>>>
>>> …
>>>
>>> Fine…it counts for your next highest choice still in the running. Which
>>> is
>>>
>>> also a reasonable interpretation of the “next choice” language you cite.
>>>
>>> Satisfied?
>>>
>>> …
>>>
>>> Does that person have any idea what he’s saying?
>>>
>>> …
>>>
>>> Say the election is between Best, Good, &Worst.
>>>
>>> …
>>>
>>> You rank Best>Good>Worst.
>>>
>>> …
>>>
>>> Good gets eliminated first, & then Best gets eliminated, & either hir
>>> ballots don’t have a 2nd choice, or hir transfers go to Worst.
>>> According to our friend here, now Good is no longer your 2nd choice.
>>> The elimination of Good makes Worst your 2nd choice, & so FairVote’s
>>> promise is kept:  Your 2nd choice, Worst is elected !!
>>>
>>> …
>>>
>>> Oh, but wait, it gets even better:
>>>
>>> …
>>>
>>> Worst isn’t only your 2nd choice now:  By our IRVist friend’s
>>> definition of “choice”, now Worst becomes your 1st choice (because he’s
>>> the only remaining candidate).
>>>
>>> …
>>>
>>> Congratulations !! You’ve elected your 1st choice, Worst !!!~
>>>
>>> …
>>>
>>> Ladies & Gentlemen of the jury: I present to you exhibit B, further
>>> confirmation of the universal astounding dishonesty of the promotion of RCV.
>>>
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