[EM] Internet polls & greater-evils

[Michael Garman]

Nope! As we established in my email April 11, a majority of the polls in
the 538 tracker ask about third party candidates. Oops!!

And approval polls show Trump around 42%, not your “nearly 30%.” Double
oops!!

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/favorability/donald-trump/

On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 1:07 AM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> …& you’re looking at Trump vs Biden poll results, not total absolute Trump
> approval.
>
> But Biden’s unpopular too. Your polls don’t ask people to compare Trump to
> Stein. They know better than to ask that.
>
>
> On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 16:01 Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 27, 2024 at 15:58 Michael Garman <
>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>
>>> Nice and dishonest as always, Mike! “Nearly 30%” isn’t even close to the
>>> 45% or so he’s polling at in most real polls.
>>>
>>> I want you to be right. I really do. But you’re not, and you know you’re
>>> making disingenuous arguments to support your claim.
>>>
>>
>> I was quoting the usual media poll results. You’re getting your
>> information from some Trump-blog that you follow.
>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Apr 28, 2024 at 12:55 AM Michael Ossipoff <
>>> email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I’ve pointed out that you don’t need the Democrat to keep the
>>>> Republican from winning, because the Republican always finishes at the
>>>> BOTTOM in the output-ranking of Internet polls. …& is Condorcet loser.
>>>> Every time.
>>>>
>>>> Some claim that’s sampling-bias. Someone here recently claimed that.
>>>>
>>>> But, as exemplified by the current CIVS poll “2024 presidential
>>>> election”, that claim is contradicted by the Republican’s support.
>>>>
>>>> e.g. In the a abovementioned current poll, Trump is voted over the
>>>> other candidates by nearly 30% of the voters, & is approved by nearly 30%.
>>>>
>>>> (That poll has “approval-line” as a candidate.)
>>>>
>>>> That’s close to what we hear is so in the actual voting population.
>>>> Doesn’t sound to me like a biased sample.
>>>>
>>>> But the Republican, in that poll & always, finishes at bottom & is
>>>> Condorcet loser.
>>>>
>>>> …& couldn’t possibly beat any progressive candidate.
>>>>
>>>> So vote honestly. You don’t need a lesser-evil.
>>>>
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