[EM] Poll on voting-systems, to inform voters in upcoming enactment-elections

[Michael Ossipoff]

On Fri, Apr 12, 2024 at 16:05 Kristofer Munsterhjelm :


> I would prefer that the merit question for the poll stays the same:
> "which voting methods do you prefer to which others?", i.e. ranking them
> in preference.
>
> Then it would be up to the individual voter to consider what aspects of
> the method are most important


:-D. “…stays the same”?  You’re trying to completely reverse the
express-purpose & entire fundamental nature of the poll that I proposed. It
was for informing voters about the EM membership’s social-ranking of
*proposals for public political elections*.

and anyone who wants to use it to guide
> reform can just screen away the unproposable methods.


Sure, anyone need only find all of the ones that are
public-election-suitable & also simple enough to be proposable. … by
searching through a ton of chaff.

>
But it would still, of course be completely meaningless & useless, because
people have no way of knowing for what purpose or by what standard the EM
members were rating those methods…& the members, by your system of course
would all be evaluating & ranking based on all different standards &
purposes.

You proposal is nonsense. What it amounts to is a proposal to cancel the
poll that people have been participating, & replace it with a new entirely
different one, of your idiosyncratic choosing… one so vague in its question
as to be completely meaningless, & useless for any purpose.

It’s late, & this this time of night isn’t the time to start a long reply.
I just wanted to post these brief preliminary comments. More about this
tomorrow maybe.

Definitely more either on this, or replies to other posts, + maybe some of
the electioneering we spoke of.

>
>
> After all, we have to do that anyway, because it's pretty much
> impossible to collapse disparate concerns into a single order without
> making some assumptions about which concerns are most important. Would I
> recommend Benham ahead of Schulze? Well, that depends on whether there's
> tons of strategy in the place in question and whether they (and I) can
> accept the nonmonotonicity.
>
> In the absence of any such situational information, any order will be
> imperfect. In any case, if the poll's output ranking ends up being like
>
> Extrinsic Borda-Weighted Landau Intersection > Iterative Refinement
> Keener + Sinkhorn (mean) > Schulze > RP > Approval > IRV,
>
> then it's a simple matter for reformers to just discard everything above
> Schulze (or RP) for a public proposal. In practice, I doubt the exotic
> methods will rank that high anyway.
>
> -km
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