[EM] Fwd: Poll on voting-systems, to inform voters in upcoming enactment-elections

[Michael Ossipoff]

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From: Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
Date: Tue, Apr 9, 2024 at 22:37
Subject: Re: [EM] Poll on voting-systems, to inform voters in upcoming
enactment-elections
To: Closed Limelike Curves <closed.limelike.curves at gmail.com>


So far no one but me has expressed a ranking for the choice of a
Condorcet-complying method for the poll’s choice.

It probably won’t matter, because there will probably be a CW. But as I
mentioned in a reply, an output-ranking requiremes about as many exhaustive
pairwise counts as there are candidates…& there are 24 candidates so far.

…greatly increasing the likelihood of a circular tie.  …we don’t have
agreement on a completion rule.

So let’s vote on that. Let’s rank *a few of* our favorite Condorcet
complying methods.

…& because the desire for an output-ranking greatly increases the
likelihood of a circular tie, & we don’t have an agreed/upon completion
rule, then designate a method for Voter’s Choice:

You automatically approve the candidate that your designated method
chooses, & everything you like more.

… &, if we can’t get any rankings, can we at least get a few likes?:

So far, I find that, for the poll’s choice-method,
MinMax(wv), Schulze, & Condorcet-IRV each have 2 likes: A 3-way tie.

So, does anyone like one those more than the others??

If so, express that, & there will be a most-liked Condorcet method for
counting the poll.

On Tue, Apr 9, 2024 at 21:34 Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Closed, my favorite is Approval, & I prefer Score to the ranked-methods,
> due to its relative simplicity & FBC compliance… especially when it’s used
> right…voting max &
> zero, & using partial-points only when it’s uncertain whether a candidate
> deserves approval.
>
> But, realistically, EM prefers Condorcet complying methods.
>
> To vote on the choice of a voting method for the poll:
>
> (#1 is of interest, but #2 is primary)
>
> 1. What are a few of your most favorite of those?
>
> 2. Rank a few of your favorites in order of preference.
>
> …&, in case there’s a circlular-tie, designate a method whose winner you’d
> approve, along with whatever you like better.
>
> That’s the Voter’s Choice solution if there’s circular-tie, when we don’t
> have an agreed-upon completion-rule.
>
> To
>
> On Tue, Apr 9, 2024 at 20:40 Closed Limelike Curves <
> closed.limelike.curves at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Kristofer, what method should be used to poll on the preference on
>>> methods?
>>>
>> Here, I'd just say that the ideal is to collect cardinal ballots and
>> release them completely, so we can calculate any method we want.
>>
>> Personally, I'd like to do a complete data analysis that probably
>> wouldn't use any particular voting method.
>>
>> On Sat, Apr 6, 2024 at 7:34 AM robert bristow-johnson <
>> rbj at audioimagination.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Kristofer, what method should be used to poll on the preference on
>>> methods?
>>>
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>>> ------ Original message------
>>> *From: *Kristofer Munsterhjelm
>>> *Date: *Sat, Apr 6, 2024 10:04
>>> *To: *Toby Pereira;Filip Ejlak;Michael Ossipoff;
>>> *Cc: *EM;
>>> *Subject:*Re: [EM] Poll on voting-systems, to inform voters in upcoming
>>> enactment-elections
>>>
>>> On 2024-04-06 09:14, Toby Pereira wrote:
>>> > I notice you haven't included my nominations. I'm guessing you blocked
>>> > me after you threw your toys out of the pram over your "Bias Free"
>>> > method on the Voting Theory Forum. I notice Kristofer suggested some
>>> > methods that aren't in the list either. I'm not sure this can really
>>> > count as a poll of EM members if this person has decided to selectively
>>> > ignore people.
>>>
>>> Maybe somebody else could run the poll? I'd nominate myself, but I've
>>> got two people blocked.
>>>
>>> I guess I could unplonk them for the duration if no better solution
>>> presents itself -- but if MO has got me blocked too, it'd be far from ideal.
>>>
>>> -km
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