[EM] Fwd: Purpose of a poll

[Michael Ossipoff]

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 19:20
Subject: Re: [EM] Purpose of a poll
To: Joseph Malkevitch <jmalkevitch at york.cuny.edu>


If the voting had to be now, with the absence of advantage-claims & at
least an outline of how they were determined, then I’d have to equal-rank
at least 12 or more of the methods.

On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 19:11 Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
wrote:

>
>
> On Sun, Apr 7, 2024 at 11:49 Joseph Malkevitch <jmalkevitch at york.cuny.edu>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> As regards the poll, we know there is data that suggests that the order
>> of the choices on the ballot can affect the results so I would recommend if
>> a poll is conducted that the choices be listed randomly.
>>
>
> Surely listing them in alphabetical order would be good enough.
>
>
> Also there are currently nominated choices where I do not understand how
>> these methods work. It would be useful to have succinct descriptions of the
>> methods listed when carried out with the ballot type used.
>>
>
> Yes, & their advantages—what they offer that the others don’t.  …& how
> that was determined.
>
>
> While I understand that there are downsides, I like encouraging honest
>> ordinal ballots where all choices must appear with no ties (e.g. strict
>> preferences; truncation not allowed).
>>
>
> Why would you want that?
>
> If we don’t know the advantages the at least 23 methods, then no
> merit-comparison among them is possible.  One shouldn’t vote on what one
> doesn’t know. Rank that set equally.
>
> Defensive-truncation is a powerful defensive-strategy in the
> Minimal-Defense complying methods. …the wv Condorcet methods. They’re also
> powerfully autodeterent, but a voter should have the right to use the
> most-reliably burial-penalizing defensive-truncation if desired.
>
> So votes in my classes were done that way. For the proposed poll there are
>> so many choices already that even reporting only a vote matrix showing how
>> many voters reported X preferred to Y and Y preferred to X would be a large
>> array.
>>
>
> We should report an output ranking…the finishing order.  …even though its
> top & bottom ends are most of interest.
>
>>
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> ——————————————
>> Joseph Malkevitch
>>
>> Email:
>> jmalkevitch at york.cuny.edu
>> Web page:
>> http://york.cuny.edu/~malk/
>> ----
>> Election-Methods mailing list - see https://electorama.com/em for list
>> info
>>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <http://lists.electorama.com/pipermail/election-methods-electorama.com/attachments/20240408/643cfb0d/attachment.htm>