[EM] Fwd: Legacy IRV limitations

[Greg Dennis]

Aspen is also a debatable case. They invented a
never-before-and-never-since used multiseat method that bore some
resemblance to IRV
<https://fairvote.org/new-variation-of-irv-used-in-aspen-city-council-elections/>,
but it wasn't IRV as we know it.

On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 8:43 AM Michael Garman <
michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:

> Okay, I’ll concede that I was thinking about the last 30 years or so —
> what one might call the “FairVote era” but as I didn’t specify I will stand
> corrected. By and large, those historical repeals were motivated by racism
> and the Red Scare — opponents feared that STV (and it was STV, not IRV, in
> most cases) would give Black people and communists political power.
>
> I’d forgotten about Aspen. Fair enough.
>
> Pierce County repealed RCV because the statewide switch to top-two
> primaries rendered ranked choice general elections obsolete.
> On Tue, Dec 19, 2023 at 3:53 AM Michael Ossipoff <email9648742 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Garman says:
>>
>> "And Burlington undid their repeal.
>>
>> No other jurisdiction in the US has voted to repeal RCV."
>>
>> Implementations rejected
>>
>> Between 1912 and 1930, limited forms of ranked-choice voting (typically
>> with only two rankings[5]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked-choice_voting_in_the_United_States#cite_note-:0-5>)
>> were implemented and subsequently repealed in Florida
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florida>, Indiana
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana>, Maryland
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maryland>, Minnesota
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Minnesota>, and Wisconsin
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wisconsin>. In the 1970s, it was
>> implemented and repealed in Ann Arbor, Michigan
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Arbor,_Michigan> following the
>> election of the city’s first Black mayor in an RCV election.[254]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked-choice_voting_in_the_United_States#cite_note-:1-254>
>> [255]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked-choice_voting_in_the_United_States#cite_note-255>
>> More recently, it was adopted and repealed in Pierce County, Washington
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierce_County,_Washington> (2006–2009);[6]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked-choice_voting_in_the_United_States#cite_note-:2-6> Burlington,
>> Vermont <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burlington,_Vermont> (2005–2010);
>> [7]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked-choice_voting_in_the_United_States#cite_note-:3-7>
>> and Aspen, Colorado <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspen,_Colorado>
>> (2007–2010).[8]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked-choice_voting_in_the_United_States#cite_note-:4-8>
>> It has since been reinstated in Burlington, and Ann Arbor residents voted
>> to reinstate it as well, with that use likely needing approval from
>> Michigan’s state legislature.[256]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked-choice_voting_in_the_United_States#cite_note-256>
>> [257]
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked-choice_voting_in_the_United_States#cite_note-257>
>>
>> Next, Mr. Garman, I'll contact the person who mentioned the conference in
>> which Rob Richie or FairVote promised to stop making the
>> false-claim...which he or they soon resumed making.
>>
>>  I'll post more details of the incident as soon as I get them.
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 11:44 PM Michael Garman <
>> michael.garman at rankthevote.us> wrote:
>>
>>> And Burlington undid their repeal.
>>>
>>> No other jurisdiction in the US has voted to repeal RCV.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Dec 17, 2023 at 11:43 PM Michael Ossipoff <
>>> email9648742 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [Quote]
>>>> Republicans were trying to ban RCV before the Alaska election.
>>>> [/Quote]
>>>>
>>>> Same thing happened in Burlington. CW eliminated & transfers went away
>>>> from Rep;publican & toward Progressive.
>>>>
>>>> ...& there hasn't just been one repeal. I've been told that there have
>>>> been a fair number of repeals of RCV.  When people expect RCV to act like
>>>> Condorcet, & it doesn't, RCV then has repeal as a built-in feature.
>>>>
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