[EM] So I got an email... / IIA

[Richard Lung]

The Hare system is at-large STV/PR, as Thomas Hare clearly advocated. 
Basically the right way of doing elections. It's wrong to attach his 
name to single members.

The drawback of Condorcet pairing is that it loses more than binary 
comparisons. It loses the ordinal scale information of preference 
voting. Not using voting methods that lose, rather than use, information 
is the consideration...


On 11/04/2022 05:34, Forest Simmons wrote:
> As I remember, Maskin's Sci. Am. article advocated Copeland completed 
> with Borda.
>
>
> Simpler and no worse would be ...
>
> Elect the CW if there is one, else instant pairwise runoff between top 
> two first place candidates. Precinct summable ... monotonic ... more 
> clone free than Copeland or Borda.
>
> El dom., 10 de abr. de 2022 6:52 p. m., robert bristow-johnson 
> <rbj at audioimagination.com> escribió:
>
>     I want to say something and ask something here.
>
>     Say:  It's not my intention that only Eric Maskin and Nicolaus
>     Tideman are worthy academics to talk to the Vermont legislature
>     committees about Ranked-Choice Voting and the advantages to be
>     gained by moving from Hare to Condorcet.  I recognize there are
>     some heavy hitters here, too.  Maskin has a Nobel and there is a
>     nice Scientific American article from 2004 with his name on it,
>     and he dubs Condorcet RCV as "true majority rule".  I am sorta
>     collaborating with Nic Tideman about all of this.  Someday I'm
>     gonna encode Ranked Pairs into portable C code for him.  But I
>     think a simpler language for legislative use is better, which is
>     why I had been proposing either Bottom-Two Runoff or just
>     straight-ahead Condorcet (with plurality as the contingency if no
>     CW).  Much easier to write language.  Sorry Markus, but I can't
>     even approach how to do Schulze with a procedure in normal text.
>
>     Ask:  If you want to get on a list of scholars/researchers to
>     advise the State of Vermont to pivot to Condorcet before
>     re-adopting RCV for the first time since the 2010 repeal in
>     Burlington, please let me know.  I will connect you to real
>     people.  But I wanna discuss with you first.
>
>     It's a fool's hope, but there is hope that history can again be
>     made in Vermont, because many legislators remember the Burlington
>     repeal, and the Sec of State's office is keen on Precinct Summability.
>
>     But the IRV folks are getting really pushy.  They smell victory at
>     the finish line, too.  I'm Don Quixote, and the FairVote train
>     hasn't rolled over me yet.
>
>     Always happy for help.
>
>     robert
>
>     > On 04/10/2022 4:46 PM robert bristow-johnson
>     <rbj at audioimagination.com> wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     > > On 04/10/2022 3:52 PM Kristofer Munsterhjelm
>     <km_elmet at t-online.de> wrote:
>     > >
>     > >
>     > ...
>     > >
>     > > Is there a chance, then, that Burlington will go directly to a
>     summable
>     > > Condorcet method instead of a patch to IRV?
>     > >
>     > maybe a fool's hope.   and it's the state government that will
>     save our asses, not the city government.   Too many children on
>     the city council.   But city charter code are at the level of
>     state law.   So the legislature and guv have to approve charter
>     changes.
>     >
>     > but my state rep, Bob Hooper, was in contact with Eric Maskin's
>     office to get him to testify.   And I mentioned this to Prof.
>     Tideman.   If we can get open minds and open ears in the Vermont
>     state senate and in the Senate Government Operations Committee, we
>     maybe have a fool's hope.
>     >
>     > Maskin is Harvard and has a Nobel.   In 2004 (before the Nobel),
>     he and Partha Dasgupta published this Scientific American article:
>     https://drive.google.com/file/d/1m6qn6Y7PAQldKNeIH2Tal6AizF7XY2U4/view
>     .   Maskin calls Condorcet "true majority rule".   But he's also
>     an endorser to FairVote:
>     https://www.fairvote.org/ranked_choice_voting_endorsements
>     >
>     > That FairVote train runnin on a lotta momentum.   VPIRG spent
>     $71000 to do a commercial.
>     >
>     >
>     https://www.vpirg.org/news/new-ad-campaign-gives-ranked-choice-voting-a-big-boost/
>
>     >
>     > All these people hate my guts.   Becca and Kesha (they are
>     running for Congress) and Chris P are, I'm sure, very disappointed
>     in me.
>     >
>     > Reformer wannabees hate hearing that their reform, itself, needs
>     reform.
>     >
>     > I think Precinct Summability might save the day, Kristofer.   I
>     am getting good attention from the Secretary of State's office.
>     >
>     > --
>     >
>     > r b-j . _ . _ . _ . _ rbj at audioimagination.com
>     >
>     > "Imagination is more important than knowledge."
>     >
>     > .
>     > .
>     > .
>     > --
>     >
>     > r b-j . _ . _ . _ . _ rbj at audioimagination.com
>     >
>     > "Imagination is more important than knowledge."
>     >
>     > .
>     > .
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