[EM] The Global Fight For Electoral Justice: A Primer
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Tue Jan 3 11:00:15 PST 2017
It would be nice to have a choice of candidates, more or less, in order
of preference. Lack of choice, not too much choice, has been my lifetime
problem with MPs who never remotely represented my views.
Best-losers MMP is just too anomalous, as James Gilmour intimates, in
another post. How discredited the Blake report was by Robert Newland,
ERS Representation, january 1977, or therabouts. And Vernon Bogdanor:
The People and the Party System. (Not to mention my own book: Scientific
Method of Elections.)
On 03/01/2017 16:52, Toby Pereira wrote:
> The main problem with STV is that it limits the region size and
> therefore the level of proportionality you can achieve because ballot
> papers can get very large and unwieldy very quickly.
> Another alternative is mixed member (MMP) but without lists. You would
> have individual constituencies as well as wider regions.
> Something like what I described here -
> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#%21msg/electionscience/aP7ybKMb1zs/giaYAh6wAwAJ> -
> which would work with score or approval voting. I also did a video -
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjeBEBZjm9Y - but that's a bit long. I
> should probably do a short one.
> *From:* James Gilmour <jgilmour at globalnet.co.uk>
> *To:* 'Erik Moeller' <eloquence at gmail.com>
> *Cc:* election-methods at lists.electorama.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, 3 January 2017, 12:48
> *Subject:* Re: [EM] The Global Fight For Electoral Justice: A Primer
> And if you are going to have effective ranking WITHIN each party
> list, why not just use STV-PR?
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Erik Moeller [mailto:eloquence at gmail.com
> <mailto:eloquence at gmail.com>]
> > Sent: 03 January 2017 04:59
> > To: jgilmour at globalnet.co.uk <mailto:jgilmour at globalnet.co.uk>
> > Cc: ElectionMethods <electionmethods at votefair.org
> <mailto:electionmethods at votefair.org>>;
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> > Subject: Re: [EM] The Global Fight For Electoral Justice: A Primer
> > On Mon, Jan 2, 2017 at 7:52 AM, James Gilmour
> <jgilmour at globalnet.co.uk <mailto:jgilmour at globalnet.co.uk>> wrote:
> > > I have always understood that the British civil servants who
> > > administered the British Occupied Zone after WWII had a large
> hand in
> > > devising AMS, by combining the British FPTP system (with
> > > electoral districts) with the old Weimar system, in the
> > > (mistaken) belief that this would introduce a significant
> element of
> > > personal choice to what had been an impersonal closed-list
> party-list voting system.
> > It's not completely mistaken as the directly elected candidates
> sometimes do enjoy high local popularity that propels them to unusual
> > levels of success beyond the support for their party. But I
> think the single-vote variant is interesting in this regard,
> because the
> > combination of party/person and the use of popular support to
> derive party lists means that individuals benefit from campaigning
> > locally (they're more likely to get a list seat if they score well).
> > Variants of this system that don't require full ranking but
> still increase intra-party competition are likely possible. For
> example, if voters
> > could strike through the name of a person they absolutely don't
> want while still voting for the party, this would be a simple tool to
> > further influence the list ranking.
> > > Originally electors had only one vote; the two-vote ballot
> paper was
> > > introduced for the Federal Bundestag elections in 1953.
> > >
> > > The predominance of closed-list party-list voting systems in
> > > continental Europe
> > Open lists are also widespread in continental Europe, as this
> map from Fairvote shows:
> > Cheers,
> > Erik
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