[EM] Am I still subscribed?

robert bristow-johnson rbj at audioimagination.com
Wed Feb 8 23:26:53 PST 2017

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Subject: Re: [EM] Am I still subscribed?

From: "VoteFair" <electionmethods at votefair.org>

Date: Thu, February 9, 2017 1:39 am

To: "election-methods at lists.electorama.com" <election-methods at lists.electorama.com>


> On 2/8/2017 1:59 PM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:


>> It seems simple enough to just do a New Zealand ballot:

>> 1. Do you want to change the voting method? (yes/no)

>> 2. If yes wins, what do you want to replace it with? (use either

>> Plurality or Approval for the meta-election method here)


> Nope. In order to make the decision fair, the final vote needs to be

> yes/no. That means the method needs to be picked first.

well, no.  this is just like saying "no" is one of the run-off finalists and the other finalist must be picked first.
but if "no" is just one option among the other voting methods to choose from, then this compound decision resolves exactly the same as
ranking all of the options (including the "no" option) and, *if* there is a Condorcet winner, choosing the Condorcet winner.  (if there isn't an Condorcet winner, that means the voting body prefer *something* over "no".  but if there is a Condorcet winner among all
options, that resolves the same as everyone choosing the "yes" option first (using Condorcet) and then stacking that up against "no" and see which option the voters decide.
this is why i like Condorcet so much (and why i worry less about the cycle).  Condorcet makes
all of the options, including the status quo, all positioned on a flat playing field.
r b-j                  rbj at audioimagination.com
"Imagination is more important than knowledge."
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