[EM] Practical Democracy

[Frank Martinez]

In re intensity: it is not obvious how this is necessarily true.

In re press: this does nothing to alter the fact Voters in earlier steps
will have already chosen Representatives far from ideal once all the
information is available.

The fact advancing Representatives are matched with Strangers suggests
vetting will be harder than the current system. If I don't know the Others
in the triad, I don't know how to investigate Them as thoroughly nor would
necessarily have sufficient time.

Having several weeks in the average stage, however, suggests decisions
about whether to replace the current Representative will begin long before
the current One has had sufficient opportunity to demonstrate Their
decisions have been good on balance, suggesting further a trivialization of
the notion of representation.

I will not be making any such decision unless I can ensure I will advance
to the next level. Even if I were, however, I clearly make such a similar
decision when, instead of voting in a triad, I vote as part of a community.
Do You have probabilistic analysis showing the odds of a Voter in PD
altering the outcome of an election versus simple majority of the
community? If We presume all votes are coin flips, the probability of any
one vote being the deciding vote can be found by means of a binomial
distribution. For PD, the probability would be the odds of one vote
changing the outcome of the triad times the odds of that triad altering the
outcome of the next triad level times the odds of that second outcome
altering the outcome of the next triad level etc. etc. etc. up thru the
levels. If You have such analysis I would be interested in reviewing it and
might find some objections reduced.

On Saturday, January 30, 2016, Fred Gohlke <fredgohlke at verizon.net> wrote:

> Good Morning, Frank
>
> Thank you for your kind thoughts.  The problem was serious enough, but the
> correction was pretty straightforward - a pacemaker.
>
> re: "The only concern I see at this moment about this approach
>      is the fact it doesn't allow much time for vetting potential
>      Representatives, even in the latter stages."
>
> There are several things that affect the 'time for vetting':
>
> * The intensity of the examination.  As the levels advance, the process
> concentrates the individuals seeking advancement.  All members of the
> triads are strongly motivated to 'vet' their opponents.  They will make
> efficient use of their time and their examination of their competitors will
> be 'up close and personal'.
>
> * The free press.  This is not a closed process.  The media will dig up
> and publicize information about the advancing individuals, particularly in
> the later stages.  The way challenged candidates handle attacks will give
> the people who make the decision more insight into the triad member's
> character than voters can acquire in the spin-meister system we currently
> endure.
>
> * The random assignment of triad members.  Advancing candidates will gain
> considerable experience in evaluating their competition because, at each
> level, they will be grouped with strangers they must evaluate. Those with
> the desire and ability to reach the higher levels will have experience
> evaluating the other two people in their triad.
>
> * The suggested length of triad lives is not cast in stone.  However,
> several weeks (depending on the level) is not an inconsiderable length of
> time for evaluating the other triad members.
>
> * Perhaps the most important reason is that you (and many, many others
> just like you - real people) will be making the decisions.  That is
> something you have never had an opportunity to do.  Can you imagine what
> your attitude will be when you can actually influence the choice of the
> individuals who will represent you in your government?  It will be much
> different than anything we've experienced in the past.
>
>
> And, now, if I thought you had a sense of humor, I'd tell you the 'l' in
> your "Tl;dr" could just as easily mean "lazy".
>
> Awwww, go ahead.  Smile.  It don't cost nuttin'.
>
> Fred Gohlke
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