[EM] Associational Proportional Representation (APR) (Kristofer Munsterhjelm) 26

[Richard Fobes]

On 11/1/2014 1:16 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
 > ... Going more proportional
 > means you have greater protection against a political oligopoly[1].
 > However, it can also increase factionalism. ...

When considering which method of proportional representation is best, 
it's important to consider the method by which the elected 
representatives make their decisions.

If the "majority rules" approach is used (in a parliament, say), then 
better results may require combining "similar" voters into bigger 
groups.  As an example, a "ruling coalition" serves this purpose.  In 
the U.S., limiting parties to two big parties serves this purpose (of 
avoiding multiple "opposition" parties).

In contrast, if the elected representatives use voting methods that 
facilitate collaboration (such as the method I've implemented at 
www.NegotiationTool.com), then multiple factions is less of a problem.

Richard Fobes


On 11/1/2014 1:16 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
> On 10/31/2014 11:32 PM, Forest Simmons wrote:
>>
>> Kristofer wrote ...
>>
>> (huge skip)
>>
>> This raises the question of where the optimal winners for weighted PR
>> should be placed. In particular, in an 1D spatial model (left-right
>> axis), it seems fair that the respective winners get a weight equal to
>> the proportion of voters that are closer to them than to anybody else.
>> But now we're much more free to place the winners anywhere on the axis
>> because the relative weight will sort itself out by the definition above
>> (unlike ordinary unweighted multiwinner elections).
>>
>> The reasoning that we prefer moderates (but not too moderate ones) to
>> extremists to minimize tension could be codified like this: minimize the
>> sum of distances from voters to their representative.
>>
>>
>> It seems to me that methods like APR that rely exclusively on ordinal
>> information (rankings) cannot detect "distances." For that we need some
>> measure of intensity of preference like that provided by Approval and
>> other Score based methods.
>
> I'm not sure, actually. Consider Condorcet on a 1D spatial model. By
> Black's single-peakedness theorem, the candidate closest to the median
> is the CW, and the median is the single point that minimizes the sum of
> distances to every other point along the line. Yet Condorcet has no idea
> of distance beyond what the ranked votes tell it.
>
> It might be the case that this can't be generalized to multiwinner
> methods. But it does at least show that it's not obviously impossible.
>
>> I recently asked an APR supporter whom he thought should be seated in a
>> 100 seat representative chamber if there were 100 candidates X1, X2,
>> ...X100, each of whom was rated at 90 percent by every voter and also
>> 100 candidates Y1, Y2, ... Y100, each of whom was rated 100 percent by
>> exactly one percent of the population (and rated zero by the rest).
>>
>> I chose the extreme example to expose what I thought was the major
>> shortcoming of any PR method that did not take into account intensity of
>> preference.
>>
>> He replied that he thought that the Y's should be seated, since they
>> would best represent the voters who voted for them.
>>
>> I was amazed: should we just throw away the wonderful opportunities for
>> consensus as though it had no value? Which would work better in Rwanda
>> (think Hutu a Tutsi) or Iraq (think Shia and Sunni)? It seems naive to
>> me to think that fragmented PR can overcome the tyranny of the majority.
>
> If there is a real trade-off between proportionality and majority
> quality (as by my graphs), and if there is no obvious or objective way
> of deciding what balance to choose, then the balance becomes a matter
> for the society in question.
>
> At least on some level, that sounds sensible. Going more proportional
> means you have greater protection against a political oligopoly[1].
> However, it can also increase factionalism. In a deeply divided society
> like civil-war era Rwanda, Iraq or Yugoslavia, the price you pay for
> going more proportional might not be worth it, while in a more moderate
> society, even politicians of wildly varying views can respect each other
> enough to find a consensus.
>
> One'd imagine rated methods to be easier to tune than ranked ones, and
> to get the balance right more often. But on the rated side, voters might
> transform their votes without altering the rank. Normalization itself is
> a sort of linear transformation, and possibly the voters may also apply
> affine transformations. On the ranked side, if it is possible to design
> methods that generalize Black's result, they could determine the right
> "quantile candidates" even though there appears to be no obvious way for
> them to directly do so.
>
> [1] It might seem that you could get more protection just by making the
> method small-party biased. However, I think that would give an incentive
> to perform clone management strategy like what is/was done in SNTV
> countries, and the big parties are better at coordinating strategy
> simply because of their size.