[EM] margin vs winning votes

[Stéphane Rouillon]

Hello,

As I took the time to illustrate many years ago,

voting your favorite sincerely as first choice instead of not voting 
cannot make him lose while winning votes is the criteria.
voting your favorite sincerely as first choice instead of not voting can 
make him lose while margin is the criteria.

An interesting property.

S.Rouillon, still reading...
PS: And Forest, I still use that Universal Preference Ballot !

Le 2014-07-22 21:17, robert bristow-johnson a écrit :
> On 7/22/14 7:11 PM, Forest Simmons wrote:
>> Like Chris Benham, Kevin Venzke, and others I owe a lot to Mike 
>> Ossipoff.
>>
>> He patiently explained difficult concepts by repeating the same 
>> concepts in different words until reaching the simplest formulation.  
>> This was a tremendous help for me when I didn't see the point of 
>> "winning votes" versus "margins" fourteen years ago (for example).
>
> i still don't see the point.  a vote for your guy is +1, a vote for 
> the other guy is -1, and a vote for neither counts for 0.
>
> whether is Schulze or Tideman or Kemeny–Young or Simpson-Kramer the 
> disappointment of the losing voter counts as much (but in the other 
> direction) as the satisfaction of the winning voter.  vote margins are 
> the product of the percent decisiveness times the vote turnout.  an 
> pairwise election that's virtually tied with a huge turnout might not 
> be as indicative of voter intent with a slightly lower turnout but a 
> very decisive, creating a larger margin.
>
>> By asking the right questions and looking at political realities 
>> (especially recently) he got us moving in the right direction.
>>
>> I always appreciated his passionate approach that might have seemed 
>> overly combative to some people.
>
> it wasn't combative that was annoying.  if was being dismissive and 
> patronizing.
>
> sorry to be a curmudgeon.
>