[EM] Resonance

[Richard Fobes]

To Michael Ossipoff:

If you don't want to get hurt, then don't attack.  You attack with words 
such as "your confusion," "your mistake," "wrong," etc. even where those 
words do not apply.

In your initial "Resonance" message, you start by (mistakenly) claiming 
I'm wrong, and afterward you say you weren't sure what I meant.  When 
you don't understand what I write, please ask -- first.

This is related to the pattern I've seen repeatedly.  You ask for 
feedback, but then you dismiss that feedback, then you "invite" more 
feedback, and then you pretend that a lack of further responses to your 
"invitations" implies that you are correct.

We (the participants here) don't want to waste time arguing with you 
about fully supported statements -- such as those on Wikipedia -- that 
are backed by lots of academically published articles.  Instead, here, 
we want to explore what isn't as well known.

Some other participants here have expressed wonder as to why I'm so 
patient in responding to some of your messages.  Optimistically I hope 
that you will wake up to what's going on.

In addition, I want to clarify to readers of this forum who don't 
understand all of what's going on here, that silence does not imply that 
we agree with your statements and claims.

Your words "if true" suggest that you have doubts about my academic 
claim, so I'll specify that I have a Bachelor of Science degree in 
Physics from the University of California at Davis.  Additional 
credentials (electronics technician, contract technical writer 
specializing in documenting especially complex technology, and more) are 
available on my LinkedIn page.

Your I-am-right-and-you-are-wrong comments (below) about resonance and 
oscillation are not worthy of a reply.

Richard Fobes

Author of "The Creative Problem Solver's Toolbox" and "Ending The Hidden 
Unfairness In U.S. Elections"



On 1/20/2013 9:33 AM, Michael Ossipoff wrote:
 > Richard says:
 >
 > Michael Ossipoff, you don't seem to take the time to carefully read the
 >   messages posted here.
 >
 > In this case it appears that you failed to notice my use of the word
 >   "component.
 >
 > [endquote]
 >
 > Ok, here is what you said:
 >
 > "Such over-runs are a component of the concept of "resonance" in Physics.
 >   This over-extended "state" quickly lead to an ever-increasing push
 > back to center.
 >
 > [endquote]
 >
 > You're using the word "resonance" to mean "oscillation". You're
 > confused about the difference between what resonance is, and what
 > oscillation is.
 >
 > As I've already explained to you, "resonance" is about a frequency.
 > Your "over-runs", displacements opposed by a restoring-force, can
 > result in oscillation, and are a necessary condition for it.  ...a
 > "component" of it, if you want to say it that way.
 >
 > But resonance is a frequency-match between a system's natural
 > frequency (which I defined for you in a previous post) and the
 > frequency of an oscillatory driving force.
 >
 > A system's natural frequency, the frequency at which it would
 > oscillate without external influence, is sometimes referred to as its
 > "resonant frequency", for that reason.
 >
 > If you don't want to admit that you were confused, then suit yourself.
 >
 > You'd continued:
 >
 > Yet, overall, the result is an oscillation that
 > averages out to be centered.
 >
 > [endquote]
 >
 > Poorly and confusedly worded.
 >
 > What you're trying to say is that the average position of an object
 > that is in harmonic oscillation is at the "center" of the oscillation,
 > the point toward which the restoring-force acts.
 >
 >
 > ...harmonic oscillation, or any oscillatory motion resulting from a
 > restoring force whose variation with respect to displacement is
 > symmetrical about the "center" defined above.
 >
 >
 > [endquote]
 >
 > Richard continued;
 >
 > I have a degree in Physics
 >
 > [endquote]
 >
 > That's fine, if true. I was merely commenting about your confusion
 > regarding the difference between resonance and oscillation.
 >
 > Mike Ossipoff
 > ----
 > Election-Methods mailing list - see http://electorama.com/em for list 
info