[EM] Census re-districting instead of PR for allocating seats to districts.

Michael Ossipoff email9648742 at gmail.com
Sun Jul 8 02:54:12 PDT 2012

On Sat, Jul 7, 2012 at 4:29 PM, Juho Laatu <juho4880 at yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> On 7.7.2012, at 21.04, Michael Ossipoff wrote:
> But your concern probably is that a party could deviously ask a candidate
>> that they like, and who is, for all intents and purposes, a party candidate
>> of theirs, to run as an independent, with no official party designation,
>> and no mention of a party connection, by hir or the party.
>> Yes, that's my concern. Except that I expect most party P voters to know
>> very well that this candidate that pretends to be independent actually is
>> set by party P. Most voters of this candidate would thus be supporters of
>> party P. (And those voters would vote for party P in the national vote.)
> I answered that concern. It's a concern that could be raised in regard to
> any topping-up ("additional-member") system. And it's a concern that is
> easily answered, as I answered it.
> Every party P voter who nationally votes for the party independent doesn't
> vote for P. If non-P voters vote for the party independent, it's because
> s/he has appeal apart from P-ness.S/he deserves those votes therefore. So
> what's the problem?
> In the strategic scenario the idea was not that the voters vould
> "nationally vote for the party independent". Their national vote would be
> given to party P. Only the local vote would be for the "party independent"
> candidate (that is mentally a party P supporter, although has been listed
> formally as an independent candidate). Would't this lead to a working
> strategy as I described it?
> [endquote]

Ok, now I see the problem. But isn't it a problem of all topping-up
systems? How do they avoid it in countries that use topping-up systems? How
do they avoid it in Germany, for example?

Yeah, that hadn't occurred to me. It's too bad, because it would be nice to
have the local districts that some people consider important, and also the
better proportionality possible with national PR. Myself, I consider the
policy platforms more important than local districts.

So, if that problem is really a problem (and maybe it is), then I'd rather
have national PR than district PR, if it isn't possible to fairly have both.

Mike Ossipoff

> Juho
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