[EM] More non-altruistic attacks on IRV usage.

Jameson Quinn jameson.quinn at gmail.com
Tue Nov 22 15:01:21 PST 2011


2011/11/22 David L Wetzell <wetzelld at gmail.com>

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> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Jameson Quinn <jameson.quinn at gmail.com>wrote:
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>> 2011/11/22 David L Wetzell <wetzelld at gmail.com>
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>>> On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 4:27 PM, Jameson Quinn <jameson.quinn at gmail.com>wrote:
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>>>> 2011/11/22 David L Wetzell <wetzelld at gmail.com>
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>>>>> Aye, and that still looks better than a two-stage with a 40%
>>>>> cutoff(what's in place now) or FPTP.
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>>>> Yes.
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>>>>> If they had stuck with IRV in Burlington, the perceived flaws would
>>>>> have worked themselves out.
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>>>> How? By people returning to lesser-evil voting, but possibly between
>>>> progressives and democrats? That's not a solution in my book.
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>>> The two major-party equilibrium would be centered around the de facto
>>> center.
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>> So you're happy with the Democrat/Republican choice?
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> No, I believe it's alright to have two major parties so long as the
> duopoly is contested
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How would a post-Kiss Burlington duopoly be contested?


> and both major parties must regularly reposition themselves around the de
> facto center,
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That only works for issues that make it onto the agenda; and it works as
well for D/R on a national scale as it would for D/P on a Burlington scale.
(Yes, D/P would be a better local fit for Burlington than D/R; but not
better than D/R is nationally.)

To my view, this is unacceptably bad.


> as created by all of us with a good faith participation in democracy.
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Jameson
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