[EM] Burlington Vermont repeals IRV 52% to 48%
rbj at audioimagination.com
Wed Mar 3 10:57:52 PST 2010
On Mar 3, 2010, at 1:58 AM, Kristofer Munsterhjelm wrote:
> robert bristow-johnson wrote:
>> Well, that's sad. Even with a sorta narrow victory the anti-
>> IRVers will swagger down Church Street like they own the place. We
>> will now all accept that God instituted the "traditional ballot"
>> for use forever and that a 40% Plurality is a "winner".
>> It would have been optimum if IRV survived this vote by a narrow
>> It's sad that when FairVote introduced and promoted the ranked
>> ballot that, from square 1, they always coupled it to the IRV
>> tabulation of votes. When enough disasters (at least anomalies)
>> happen like in Burlington or Aspen, some backlash, both ignorant
>> and enlightened, is bound to happen.
> I think that shows that IRV is just not good enough. Of course, I
> could be wrong: perhaps it is, as you said, an outcome on par with
> "Bush wins the presidency -- in the supreme court",
here is a funny story from The Onion (about a year old):
> but if it was IRV itself that gave the opposition enough proverbial
> ammunition, then that does count against the method.
> Since I prefer Condorcet, I would say that a good method should
> have elected Montroll. IRV didn't.
> What's really bad is that now people will probably think that the
> ranked ballot and IRV are one and the same - that the only way to
> conduct a ranked ballot election is by using IRV.
i've been saying that myself, many times. to a lot of deaf ears in
> What method will be used in Burlington now -- Plurality or runoff?
> Since you said 40% earlier, I guess it's a runoff, but 40% sounds
> odd as a runoff threshold. Shouldn't it be majority? Anything less
> and the voters might have preferred someone else.
it's Plurality winner if 40% is reached. if no one gets 40%, it's a
runoff in about 3 weeks between the top two. if applied in 2009, the
runoff would be between the same two candidates, and there is a good
possibility that, with reduced turnout at the runoff, the election
would have come out differently.
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