# [EM] I need an example of Condorcet method being subjected to the spoiler effect if any

Sat Jan 23 03:49:41 PST 2010

```Kathy Dopp wrote:
> Thanks Kristofer for the explanations.  Do you know a good place that
> discusses the Ranked Pairs method of resolving cycles, or all the
> methods of resolving cycles?  I would still like an example of  a
> spoiler in Condorcet no matter how unlikely if possible.  Thank you.

Wikipedia explains Ranked Pairs well enough:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ranked_Pairs

It doesn't explain River, because that method is less known. In both
Ranked Pairs and River, you first sort the majorities ("A beats B") by
magnitude, greatest first.
In Ranked Pairs, you then go down the list, "locking" majorities except
if you lock "A beats B" and "B beats C", you can't lock "C beats A"),
and at the end you have an ordering, and the candidate at the top of
this ordering is the winner.
In River, you do the same, except that you're also forbidden from
locking a victory against someone who has already had a victory locked
against him (e.g. "A beats B", then you can't lock "C beats B"). The
root of the tree diagram (base of the river) is the winner.

As for a spoiler in your terms, consider this very simple election

10: A>B>C
10: B>C>A
11: C>A>B

If the method picks A, then B is a spoiler for C, because removing B

21: C>A
10: A>C

If the method picks B, then C is a spoiler for A, because removing C

21: A>B
10: B>A

If the method picks C, then A is a spoiler for B, because removing A